You’re making the point for us. Obamacare is a 90s conservative proposal, it also completely killed the possibility of single payer healthcare for a generation. Republicans ratchet things right and then Democrats lock it in, great example you provided thank you.
Yup. And they did a switch to remove the public option, since they had an obvious ability with 60 votes. They had Lieberman play the rotating villain, and removed the public option so they could supposedly get GOP votes.
When they got no GOP votes, they passed it anyways, through reconciliation - but didn’t put the public option back in. They literally chose to leave it out.
Obamacare was a compromise because single payer didn’t have the votes. If you think single payer was happening at any point in the last generation, I have a bridge to sell you.
Those people always could have purchased health insurance. The difference after Obamacare was they would be penalized if they didn’t. That’s just an objective fact.
Obamacare subsidizes healthcare specifically for people who couldn’t afford it before. The only people it penalized were rich people who refused to get healthcare. The fee was waived for most.
The only people, huh? As someone at the lower end of middle class, my premiums doubled every year for the first 4 years of Obamacare. When it got to $800 a month I cancelled it and took the penalty instead. Fuck off with your propaganda and lies.
First of all, the price increases of healthcare were rising at exactly the same rate before and after Obamacare so that has nothing to do with the rate increases. Second, there are all sorts of exemptions like if you make less than 150% of the federal poverty level or if the marketplace plan would cost more than 8% of your household income. That means unless you were making $120k a year (which would mean you could definitely afford $800 a month insurance) you would be exempted from the penalty. Basically, if you paid the penalty it’s because you fucked up.
Romney may have signed it, but keep in mind Massachusetts is a blue state and the state Senate at that time had 35 Dem seats and only 5 Republican. It was a bipartisan bill, but mostly Democrat.
Continuing with the status quo would have left millions without health insurance, including many with pre-existing conditions who desperately needed it. It wasn’t perfect, but it was an improvement.
It was written by the heritage foundation, it was the best way to maximize profits for the health insurance industry.
Yeah my life is so much better now that i have to pay a copay on top of my premiums instead of not having insurance and just having a regular old pay at the end of a visit. And Oh wow, I get a free flu shot and checkup once a year for my $5,000 a year in premiums. Oh and if i have a major health emergency i van declare bankruptcy on the $15000 deductible instead of declaring bankruptcy on the full cost of the surgery. Neat!
There’s a reason republicans never repealed obamacare, because it makes the health insurance companies too much money.
Let’s say you didn’t have insurance and were just counting on paying out of pocket. You are just living your life and BAM, you have a massive heart attack. Turns out you had an undiagnosed heart defect and there is nothing that could have prevented it or predicted it. You’re taken by ambulance to the hospital where you have open heart surgery and where you stay for weeks to recover. You get a huge bill that you can’t pay. What happens?
The doctors and nurses did a lot of work to keep you alive and they deserve to get paid. The hospital has to keep the lights on. You filing for bankruptcy doesn’t change this. That is why everyone needs to have insurance. This kind of thing can happen to anyone at any time. As a society we can’t just let people die if they can’t afford treatment. Even if you take for-profit companies out of the equation, the whole system collapses with millions of people unable to pay.
That is why everyone has to pay premiums. Part of that payment is for vaccinations and check ups, but part of it is coverage in case catastrophic shit happens. Healthy people get the least back out of the system, but nobody knows if they will still be healthy tomorrow. The bigger the pool of healthy people paying into the system, the less each person needs to pay to cover the people whose luck ran out.
Oh wow well yeah if it’s literally impossible for a country to provide healthcare then yeah i guess obamacare is literally the only plan that will ever work
Which is why it’s not an accomplishment for dems. Even with that brief super majority the best they could do is copy republicans plans. Which is also why the GOP can’t make any legislation to replace it as it’s already their plan.
Which then gets back to the point of the post
Edit, because people still don’t understand they based it on Romneycare
Obama told host Matt Lauer that “when you actually look at the bill itself, it incorporates all sorts of Republican ideas. I mean a lot of commentators have said this is sort of similar to the bill that Mitt Romney, the Republican governor and now presidential candidate, passed in Massachusetts. A lot of the ideas in terms of the exchange, just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market, that originated from the Heritage Foundation. …”
It’s not a myth but sure keep saying it ignoring all the facts in front of you
Why do Democrats have to compromise with Republicans but Republicans never have to compromise with Democrats?
Why must they work with the party that has shifted towards fascism? Why must they compromise on half baked laws that don’t do the things people wanted, but corporations got what they demanded?
Why do the Democrats work with fascists while refusing to stand up for the good of the country?
And then their sycophants will tell you that it’s a normal thing to give the people who want to bring back American laws from the 1950s what they want, and you’re a idealist fool if you think we should advocate for good laws.
The best to all of that is Democrats generally operate on good faith and Republicans don’t. It is easy to hold your ground if you don’t care who it hurts.
Not only a 90s conservative proposal, it was written by the Heritage Foundation. Democrats have never found legislation written by them that they didn’t love.
You’re making the point for us. Obamacare is a 90s conservative proposal, it also completely killed the possibility of single payer healthcare for a generation. Republicans ratchet things right and then Democrats lock it in, great example you provided thank you.
Yup. And they did a switch to remove the public option, since they had an obvious ability with 60 votes. They had Lieberman play the rotating villain, and removed the public option so they could supposedly get GOP votes.
When they got no GOP votes, they passed it anyways, through reconciliation - but didn’t put the public option back in. They literally chose to leave it out.
Obamacare was a compromise because single payer didn’t have the votes. If you think single payer was happening at any point in the last generation, I have a bridge to sell you.
Obamacare was a compromise between sucking the insurance companies dicks and fondling their balls while you suck their dicks.
Hate it all you want, but millions of people have gotten healthcare they otherwise wouldn’t have been able to. That’s just an objective fact.
Those people always could have purchased health insurance. The difference after Obamacare was they would be penalized if they didn’t. That’s just an objective fact.
Obamacare subsidizes healthcare specifically for people who couldn’t afford it before. The only people it penalized were rich people who refused to get healthcare. The fee was waived for most.
The only people, huh? As someone at the lower end of middle class, my premiums doubled every year for the first 4 years of Obamacare. When it got to $800 a month I cancelled it and took the penalty instead. Fuck off with your propaganda and lies.
First of all, the price increases of healthcare were rising at exactly the same rate before and after Obamacare so that has nothing to do with the rate increases. Second, there are all sorts of exemptions like if you make less than 150% of the federal poverty level or if the marketplace plan would cost more than 8% of your household income. That means unless you were making $120k a year (which would mean you could definitely afford $800 a month insurance) you would be exempted from the penalty. Basically, if you paid the penalty it’s because you fucked up.
Well that’s just straight up nonsense easily disproven by a simple Google search
“For 27-year-old men, the average county faced 91 percent increases; for 40-year-old men, 60 percent; for 64-year-old men, 32 percent.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/06/18/3137-county-analysis-obamacare-increased-2014-individual-market-premiums-by-average-of-49/
I didn’t even bother reading the rest of your reply. I don’t enjoy being lied to.
Of course, the compromise is the republican solution from a decade earlier. What other choice did we have?
Romney may have signed it, but keep in mind Massachusetts is a blue state and the state Senate at that time had 35 Dem seats and only 5 Republican. It was a bipartisan bill, but mostly Democrat.
Continuing with the status quo would have left millions without health insurance, including many with pre-existing conditions who desperately needed it. It wasn’t perfect, but it was an improvement.
It was written by the heritage foundation, it was the best way to maximize profits for the health insurance industry.
Yeah my life is so much better now that i have to pay a copay on top of my premiums instead of not having insurance and just having a regular old pay at the end of a visit. And Oh wow, I get a free flu shot and checkup once a year for my $5,000 a year in premiums. Oh and if i have a major health emergency i van declare bankruptcy on the $15000 deductible instead of declaring bankruptcy on the full cost of the surgery. Neat!
There’s a reason republicans never repealed obamacare, because it makes the health insurance companies too much money.
It’s really amazing how those people who only use ACA/Obamacare as a shinying accomplishment know absolutely nothing about it
The idea that Romneycare was written by the Heritage Foundation is a myth repeated based on the Michael Moore documentary Sicko. It’s not true.
https://prospect.org/2014/01/03/no-obamacare-republican-proposal/
Let’s say you didn’t have insurance and were just counting on paying out of pocket. You are just living your life and BAM, you have a massive heart attack. Turns out you had an undiagnosed heart defect and there is nothing that could have prevented it or predicted it. You’re taken by ambulance to the hospital where you have open heart surgery and where you stay for weeks to recover. You get a huge bill that you can’t pay. What happens?
The doctors and nurses did a lot of work to keep you alive and they deserve to get paid. The hospital has to keep the lights on. You filing for bankruptcy doesn’t change this. That is why everyone needs to have insurance. This kind of thing can happen to anyone at any time. As a society we can’t just let people die if they can’t afford treatment. Even if you take for-profit companies out of the equation, the whole system collapses with millions of people unable to pay.
That is why everyone has to pay premiums. Part of that payment is for vaccinations and check ups, but part of it is coverage in case catastrophic shit happens. Healthy people get the least back out of the system, but nobody knows if they will still be healthy tomorrow. The bigger the pool of healthy people paying into the system, the less each person needs to pay to cover the people whose luck ran out.
Oh wow well yeah if it’s literally impossible for a country to provide healthcare then yeah i guess obamacare is literally the only plan that will ever work
Which is why it’s not an accomplishment for dems. Even with that brief super majority the best they could do is copy republicans plans. Which is also why the GOP can’t make any legislation to replace it as it’s already their plan.
Which then gets back to the point of the post
Edit, because people still don’t understand they based it on Romneycare
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/romneycare-vs-obamacare-key-similarities-differences/
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/23/451200436/mitt-romney-finally-takes-credit-for-obamacare
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/
That is so wrong it is astounding. If the ACA is the GOP plan, why did they try and repeal it over 70 times?
The Republican plan is for the poor to die because they believe in social eugenics.
It’s literally Romneycare with a few minor tweaks.
They keep trying because they want to break the government and kill people.
And Romneycare was basically put together by Massachusetts Democrats. Romney just signed it.
Romneycare was also based on the heritage foundation plan for insurance. So again it’s still the dems only implementing a republican plan.
Also Romney didn’t sign it which is one reason it’s hilarious it got his name and he’s proud of it.
That is a myth that originated from the Michael Moore movie Sicko. It’s not actually true, but people keep repeating it like it is.
https://prospect.org/2014/01/03/no-obamacare-republican-proposal/
It’s not a myth but sure keep saying it ignoring all the facts in front of you
Compromising with Republicans/right leaning dems on anything is a clear sign of failure, not success.
Democracy is based on compromise. You can’t always get exactly what you want. Sometimes getting a small improvement is better than stagnation.
Why do Democrats have to compromise with Republicans but Republicans never have to compromise with Democrats?
Why must they work with the party that has shifted towards fascism? Why must they compromise on half baked laws that don’t do the things people wanted, but corporations got what they demanded?
Why do the Democrats work with fascists while refusing to stand up for the good of the country?
And then their sycophants will tell you that it’s a normal thing to give the people who want to bring back American laws from the 1950s what they want, and you’re a idealist fool if you think we should advocate for good laws.
The best to all of that is Democrats generally operate on good faith and Republicans don’t. It is easy to hold your ground if you don’t care who it hurts.
Funny that right wing policies never require compromise, something you state is essential.
If they didn’t compromise, being gay or trans would be illegal, abortion would be banned nationally, and only white Christian men would vote.
Not only a 90s conservative proposal, it was written by the Heritage Foundation. Democrats have never found legislation written by them that they didn’t love.
So keep Republicans in power and ratchet that shit down from your couch? Put a clamp on your own balls, it’s the smart thing to do.
Either way you get Republican legislation
So logically take the speed run? Ok I guess.
Yeah i guess two parties is a law of nature so we have to deal with it like we deal with thermodynamics