Dude, he won an Oscar in 2003. Best Director. Calling this “decent” career is extremely disingenuous. He worked with Jodie Foster, Kate Winslet, Christoph Waltz, Ewan McGregor and Johnny Depp. All at the top of their careers, very much able to decide who they want to work with and they worked with him. He is still well respected in Poland and France and many different governments protected him from prosecution. When US tried to detain him Polish government ignored the laws to shield him.
With Woody Allen I’m taking about him marrying his step daughter, not the unconfirmed allegations.
Yeah, he won an Oscar, and it was incredibly controversial, and it was one of the things that started the conversation that eventually led to the Me Too movement. For the first time, Hollywood women let their outrage be seen and heard, and that kind of mysogyny in Hollywood began to meet resistance.
Again, I would not say that Polanski has had “no issues” in his career. I don’t see Speilberg or Scorcese having to defend 50+ year old scandals literally every time their names are mentioned.
Me Too movement started after Harvey Weinstein scandal, over a decade after Polanski got his Oscar. I don’t remember any controversies around The Pianist. The wiki doesn’t mention anything. It got great reviews and got a lot of awards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_The_Pianist
You’re either making stuff up now or just misremembering it. Polanski is an admitted rapist. Of course he didn’t have same career as Spielberg or Scorsese but he wasn’t a pariah either. He worked all his life and was well respected in the industry. I don’t know, maybe you just want to believe that Polanski faced some consequences. He didn’t. He wasn’t punished. There was no justice there. He raped a child and lived a happy life after that.
Polanski’s nomination had triggered a spirited debate over whether it was appropriate to separate a person’s misdeeds from his art and award Hollywood’s highest filmmaking honor to someone facing a still-unresolved criminal case.
In 2017, he was forced to quit the jury for the French equivalent of the Oscars, and in 2018 he was expelled from the American Academy as well.
So there WAS much controversy about his Oscar, it did put Hollywood under a microscope leading to MeToo, and eventually led to expulsions, so he certainly did see major repercussions from his unresolved criminal behavior.
And it simply cannot be argued that it has indelibly stained his legacy.
I’m not making stuff up, or misremembering it, you are. And let this be a lesson in why your teachers don’t like to accept Wikipedia as a solid source.
This article only quotes District Attorney spokeswoman saying that he still fugitive. It doesn’t mention anyone actually opposing the award. According to the article even the victim didn’t oppose it. Saying that this placed Hollywood under microscope and lead to MeToo a decade later is pure fabrication on your part.
There’s really nothing to discuss here further. You’re convinced that Polanski could have been one of the greatest directors in Hollywood but because of the rape he’s only a great director. In you’re opinion that means he was punished.
I believe that the fact that he had a very successful career at all shows that he was mostly forgiven by the industry and the public.
It’s a matter of perspective, we’re not going to agree here.
The only QUOTE in the article was the DA, but I will REPEAT the passage I quoted in my previous post:
Polanski’s nomination had triggered a spirited debate over whether it was appropriate to separate a person’s misdeeds from his art and award Hollywood’s highest filmmaking honor to someone facing a still-unresolved criminal case.
That is pre-MAGA CBS News making that claim that there was a “spirited debate,” and you are simply dismissing that because they don’t quote or name every person involved in that debate? Are you claiming that CBS News just made that up?
Because my recollection, which includes multiple conversations about this with my son who is a cinephile, with one degree in film, and getting another, is very different. I’m not an expert, but he definitely is, and he will tell you that Polanski’s career definitely suffered, and his legacy will definitely be badly compromised.
I’ve offered sources that support my position, but you haven’t offered any evidence of your position, other than he was given a very controversial Oscar. You haven’t offered a single source that reinforced your claim that Polanski’s career has been untouched by his sexually criminal past.
You haven’t offered a single source that reinforced your claim that Polanski’s career has been untouched by his sexually criminal past.
Because I didn’t claim it was “untouched”. Of course it was. He had to hide in Europe and was somehow controversial. As I explained in the previous comment, you think that what happened to him was adequate punishment for raping a child and I don’t. This is were we disagree. I think that a different person, even different celebrity, would end in prison and have trouble working in the industry at all. You think that… I don’t really know. That Polanski wasn’t protected by his fame? That any other person would also face similar troubles and continue their careers, get awards, be rich? Because…
No to mention Me Too that completely ended careers of many people. Yes, Polanski raped that girl in the 80s but to this day he’s well respected and defended by many people. In my opinion he got away with it. That was my whole point. Some people do get away with terrible crimes, other get cancelled over minor things. Winona Ryder had serious issues working because of shoplifting…
I know people who are plugged into film studies, academia, etc., and there is definitely a bias against him, and his legacy will be stained. You can point to as many stars as you want, but you will never know how many turned him down.
She wasn’t his step-daughter. He wasn’t married to Mia Farrow, and she wasn’t a biological daughter to Mia, either. Still gross, but technically, y’know?
I’m just saying that many directors would kill to have a career like him and he admitted to rape. Could he achieve more if he didn’t rape a child and was allowed entry into US? Maybe but it’s really hard to argue he was punished by the industry.
Both him and Woddy simply show that some people can get away with things others can’t. Depends on the factors I mentioned.
There is no doubt that his fame and talent bought him a LOT of sanctuary, but it definitely indelibly stained his legacy. We’ll never know how much more he could have achieved, but looking back, he would have been better off serving the couple of years in jail, and moved on with his life. He’d still have that old stain, but it would be mostly forgiven as a youthful slip, blame it on drugs, and the times, and it would be overlooked for the most part. But he would have been welcomed back to Hollywood, and would have have had full access to the Hollywood system.
Dude, he won an Oscar in 2003. Best Director. Calling this “decent” career is extremely disingenuous. He worked with Jodie Foster, Kate Winslet, Christoph Waltz, Ewan McGregor and Johnny Depp. All at the top of their careers, very much able to decide who they want to work with and they worked with him. He is still well respected in Poland and France and many different governments protected him from prosecution. When US tried to detain him Polish government ignored the laws to shield him.
With Woody Allen I’m taking about him marrying his step daughter, not the unconfirmed allegations.
Yeah, he won an Oscar, and it was incredibly controversial, and it was one of the things that started the conversation that eventually led to the Me Too movement. For the first time, Hollywood women let their outrage be seen and heard, and that kind of mysogyny in Hollywood began to meet resistance.
Again, I would not say that Polanski has had “no issues” in his career. I don’t see Speilberg or Scorcese having to defend 50+ year old scandals literally every time their names are mentioned.
Me Too movement started after Harvey Weinstein scandal, over a decade after Polanski got his Oscar. I don’t remember any controversies around The Pianist. The wiki doesn’t mention anything. It got great reviews and got a lot of awards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_The_Pianist
You’re either making stuff up now or just misremembering it. Polanski is an admitted rapist. Of course he didn’t have same career as Spielberg or Scorsese but he wasn’t a pariah either. He worked all his life and was well respected in the industry. I don’t know, maybe you just want to believe that Polanski faced some consequences. He didn’t. He wasn’t punished. There was no justice there. He raped a child and lived a happy life after that.
An Oscar Out Of Reach For Polanski
In 2017, he was forced to quit the jury for the French equivalent of the Oscars, and in 2018 he was expelled from the American Academy as well.
So there WAS much controversy about his Oscar, it did put Hollywood under a microscope leading to MeToo, and eventually led to expulsions, so he certainly did see major repercussions from his unresolved criminal behavior.
And it simply cannot be argued that it has indelibly stained his legacy.
I’m not making stuff up, or misremembering it, you are. And let this be a lesson in why your teachers don’t like to accept Wikipedia as a solid source.
This article only quotes District Attorney spokeswoman saying that he still fugitive. It doesn’t mention anyone actually opposing the award. According to the article even the victim didn’t oppose it. Saying that this placed Hollywood under microscope and lead to MeToo a decade later is pure fabrication on your part.
There’s really nothing to discuss here further. You’re convinced that Polanski could have been one of the greatest directors in Hollywood but because of the rape he’s only a great director. In you’re opinion that means he was punished.
I believe that the fact that he had a very successful career at all shows that he was mostly forgiven by the industry and the public.
It’s a matter of perspective, we’re not going to agree here.
The only QUOTE in the article was the DA, but I will REPEAT the passage I quoted in my previous post:
That is pre-MAGA CBS News making that claim that there was a “spirited debate,” and you are simply dismissing that because they don’t quote or name every person involved in that debate? Are you claiming that CBS News just made that up?
Because my recollection, which includes multiple conversations about this with my son who is a cinephile, with one degree in film, and getting another, is very different. I’m not an expert, but he definitely is, and he will tell you that Polanski’s career definitely suffered, and his legacy will definitely be badly compromised.
I’ve offered sources that support my position, but you haven’t offered any evidence of your position, other than he was given a very controversial Oscar. You haven’t offered a single source that reinforced your claim that Polanski’s career has been untouched by his sexually criminal past.
Because I didn’t claim it was “untouched”. Of course it was. He had to hide in Europe and was somehow controversial. As I explained in the previous comment, you think that what happened to him was adequate punishment for raping a child and I don’t. This is were we disagree. I think that a different person, even different celebrity, would end in prison and have trouble working in the industry at all. You think that… I don’t really know. That Polanski wasn’t protected by his fame? That any other person would also face similar troubles and continue their careers, get awards, be rich? Because…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Glitter - prison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Collins - In 2014, his career came to an end after he confessed to sexual abuse against multiple minors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Salva - Coppola’s protégé. Prison, hiatus and protests over his later movies
No to mention Me Too that completely ended careers of many people. Yes, Polanski raped that girl in the 80s but to this day he’s well respected and defended by many people. In my opinion he got away with it. That was my whole point. Some people do get away with terrible crimes, other get cancelled over minor things. Winona Ryder had serious issues working because of shoplifting…
I know people who are plugged into film studies, academia, etc., and there is definitely a bias against him, and his legacy will be stained. You can point to as many stars as you want, but you will never know how many turned him down.
She wasn’t his step-daughter. He wasn’t married to Mia Farrow, and she wasn’t a biological daughter to Mia, either. Still gross, but technically, y’know?
I’m just saying that many directors would kill to have a career like him and he admitted to rape. Could he achieve more if he didn’t rape a child and was allowed entry into US? Maybe but it’s really hard to argue he was punished by the industry.
Both him and Woddy simply show that some people can get away with things others can’t. Depends on the factors I mentioned.
There is no doubt that his fame and talent bought him a LOT of sanctuary, but it definitely indelibly stained his legacy. We’ll never know how much more he could have achieved, but looking back, he would have been better off serving the couple of years in jail, and moved on with his life. He’d still have that old stain, but it would be mostly forgiven as a youthful slip, blame it on drugs, and the times, and it would be overlooked for the most part. But he would have been welcomed back to Hollywood, and would have have had full access to the Hollywood system.