“Integrating into local culture” is a non-issue; their culture is local culture. Any concrete problems (which there are, to be clear) need to be addressed as such, not as a duty to conform to the whims of the majority, before you can get anything done.
More practically, though, the problem with that framing is that places where Roma aren’t rendered second class citizens don’t, in fact, have that problem. America in particular renders the culture explanation completely untenable. You should really start here.
That’s an interesting idea. So you think participating in public education and learning local language for example is a “non-issue”? I think current situation in Sweden shows how important it is. Learning language is crucial to later job opportunities. No to mention respect for the law. Different cultures tolerate different behaviors and adapting to that is a matter of respect for your neighbors, not “conforming to their whims”.
So you think participating in public education and learning local language for example is a “non-issue”?
Yes I do, more or less. Children have the right to an education, but as long as it’s up to a minimum standard I don’t care very much who gives it, and as for the local language, well, up to them really but I strongly doubt that, for example, Hungarian Roma can’t speak Hungarian as a rule.
I think current situation in Sweden shows how important it is.
The only thing Sweden is showing in 2026 is what a country where the fascists are winning looks like.
Different cultures tolerate different behaviors and adapting to that is a matter of respect for your neighbors, not “conforming to their whims”.
Sure, some amount of adaptation is necessary, but that goes both ways. Roma communities have frankly seen nothing but misery from their neighbors, so suddenly expecting “respect” is both unrealistic and frankly arrogant. As I said and you ignored, stop putting them in ghettos first.
But seriously, I didn’t even mention Roma. Those are universal issues that affect British people in Spain the same way they affect Polish people in Switzerland. Saying that it’s not important to learn local language shows how out of touch you are. Kids don’t decide those things on their own. If parents don’t make sure they learn the language they will have hugely limited opportunities when they grow up and risk social exclusion. This is another way ghettos form you’re totally oblivious to.
Kids don’t decide those things on their own. If parents don’t make sure they learn the language they will have hugely limited opportunities when they grow up and risk social exclusion.
Kids learn their host country’s language basically by default, so this is a non-issue. Language education is by and large an adult problem.
This didn’t happen because fascists won last elections. It’s because people like you who don’t understand how reality works promote their failed understanding of what “tolerance” is.
Your association of me with the Social Democrats with tolerance with bad education policy is such an intricate web of non-sequiturs that I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why should this be relevant to the conversation?
This is another way ghettos form you’re totally oblivious to.
I’m gonna need a source on that, but also the kind of ghettos relevant here (aka the kind Europeans keep putting Roma) in is created by social ostracization and state policy.
You need a source about how lack of education and basic language skills limits job opportunities and causes social exclusion? Gee, I don’t know if I can find any. Give me couple of days for an in depth research. I’ll get back to you.
“Integrating into local culture” is a non-issue; their culture is local culture. Any concrete problems (which there are, to be clear) need to be addressed as such, not as a duty to conform to the whims of the majority, before you can get anything done.
More practically, though, the problem with that framing is that places where Roma aren’t rendered second class citizens don’t, in fact, have that problem. America in particular renders the culture explanation completely untenable. You should really start here.
That’s an interesting idea. So you think participating in public education and learning local language for example is a “non-issue”? I think current situation in Sweden shows how important it is. Learning language is crucial to later job opportunities. No to mention respect for the law. Different cultures tolerate different behaviors and adapting to that is a matter of respect for your neighbors, not “conforming to their whims”.
Yes I do, more or less. Children have the right to an education, but as long as it’s up to a minimum standard I don’t care very much who gives it, and as for the local language, well, up to them really but I strongly doubt that, for example, Hungarian Roma can’t speak Hungarian as a rule.
The only thing Sweden is showing in 2026 is what a country where the fascists are winning looks like.
Sure, some amount of adaptation is necessary, but that goes both ways. Roma communities have frankly seen nothing but misery from their neighbors, so suddenly expecting “respect” is both unrealistic and frankly arrogant. As I said and you ignored, stop putting them in ghettos first.
Racist!
But seriously, I didn’t even mention Roma. Those are universal issues that affect British people in Spain the same way they affect Polish people in Switzerland. Saying that it’s not important to learn local language shows how out of touch you are. Kids don’t decide those things on their own. If parents don’t make sure they learn the language they will have hugely limited opportunities when they grow up and risk social exclusion. This is another way ghettos form you’re totally oblivious to.
Social Democrats governed in Sweden for the last decade and as a result of their policies “Almost one in four 15-year-olds who completed the PISA international survey in 2022 did not achieve the lowest proficiency level on the reading scale for continued learning.”. This didn’t happen because fascists won last elections. It’s because people like you who don’t understand how reality works promote their failed understanding of what “tolerance” is.
Kids learn their host country’s language basically by default, so this is a non-issue. Language education is by and large an adult problem.
Your association of me with the Social Democrats with tolerance with bad education policy is such an intricate web of non-sequiturs that I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why should this be relevant to the conversation?
I’m gonna need a source on that, but also the kind of ghettos relevant here (aka the kind Europeans keep putting Roma) in is created by social ostracization and state policy.
You need a source about how lack of education and basic language skills limits job opportunities and causes social exclusion? Gee, I don’t know if I can find any. Give me couple of days for an in depth research. I’ll get back to you.