• starik@lemmy.today
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    13 hours ago

    It’s ok to be casually racist against white people because it’s “punching up”. Which implies white people are superior. Which is racist against non-whites wait…

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      12 hours ago

      … that’s like saying billionaires are superior, because you punch up at them. It’s not about being better, it’s about privilege.

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        8 hours ago

        rich white men are privileged.

        poor whites, are not privileged.

        and there are way more poor white people than rich white people.

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            cool, go trade places with a poor white boy in louisana and see how much ‘privilege’ that life brings.

            I’m sure you will love the lack of education, economic opportunity, and the backwards culture you’re brought up in that you can’t escape.

            oh, you don’t want ot make that trade? gee, maybe because you’re more privileged than they are…

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              And that poor WHITE boy is still going to have more privelage than a poor black one. Gee, maybe it’s like, some sort of spectrum and not quite so… black and white.

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                7 hours ago

                right, because people’s skin color is inherently how much power and priveldge they have…

                and not actual power and privilege. because you know, we can’t talk about that. we just attribute it to skin color. and that’s not extremely racist at all…

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                  right, because peoples skin color is inherently how much power and privilege they have…

                  Yes. Like, yeah bud. That’s how racism works. White people are going to have more privilege than black people.

                  That’s not to say that the poor white kid isn’t going to experience hardships but the poor black child is deffo gonna have it way worse.

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                    7 hours ago

                    Do you have any real world experience with underprivledged people, or is this all purely theoretical for you?

                    Plenty of white kids have it way worse than black kids, or any other race of kid, or mixed kids. But that would require learning about the circumstances of the individual, rather than treating their ‘privledge’ as a pure product of their skin color.

                    What if the black kid is Jewish? or Episcopalian? Did you know those religious groups have much higher incomes than Catholics or Baptists? or does skin color trump religion?

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                I think we get into problems like this when we start trying to quantitate privilege like this.

                They have different privilege.

                Almost everyone benefits from some kind of privilege. Yes, some are more profound than others, but thinking of it in simple terms of quantity accomplishes nothing for anyone.

                We benefit from learning to recognize and acknowledge the specific privileges from which we benefit, not from carrying guilt or burden over the concept of privilege itself.

                Explaining to a poor white man that they have privilege just because they do teaches them nothing. Explaining to them that they dont have the privilege of wealth to shield them from certain circumstances, but do have the specific privilege of not having systemic racism as an additional hurdle to their already real existing problems allows them the space to feel seen and acknowledge while still having the distance to see the point.

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                7 hours ago

                really. so a middle-class black kid has less privilege than a poor white kid?

                or maybe privilege is about money and power? and skin color has very little to do with that.

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                  Skin color has a ton to do with who has money and power. That’s, like, the central theme of American history.

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              Clutch them pearls.

              Anyone reading this. Make friends with black immigrants, specifically black women and then let’s talk about privilege.

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                  Clutch dem pearls harder.

                  Are you really going to tell everyone here a black poor person is equal to a white one?

                  Really? That’s the hill you’re going to die on?

                  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
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                    No, I’m telling you your belief is racist and ignorant, because of your assumption a black skin inherently makes one ‘worse off’ than white skin.

                    I’m someone who grew up in a poor mixed race community. But please tell me more about how my real life experience is wrong? I certainly get that a lot, especially whenever I’m around wealthy and privileged people.

                    What’s funny is when I meet other people who grew up the way I did… they tend to be not dogmatic and way less racist/sexist, compared to the rich white/black folks. And the Asians… just don’t care about any of that shit.