• Sarah Valentine@pawb.social
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    14 hours ago

    What, like you can’t think of any to suggest? I’m not playing this game with you. Maybe we stop idolizing rockstar personalities and start being politically competent for ourselves. Crazy idea I know.

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      9 hours ago

      Sarah is likely a bot. They all follow this pattern:

      1. Say something provocative.
      2. Wait for responses and incite more confusion and anger (intensify the trolling)
      3. When someone asks for evidence or sources, say something like “do your own research”, “google is easy to use”, “I’m not your teacher”, “I’m not playing games with you”

      They have nothing to say but they keep talking out their ass. Anyone that learned how to write a persuasive essay in 6the grade can form a better argument. I guess education in blue states is better though so not all Americans are literate.

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      13 hours ago

      Are you trolling? How can you say, “There are better mouthpieces” and then immediately be unable to name a single one??

      I see two possibilities. One is that you would hold every leftist mouthpiece to an unreasonable standard that no one actually meets. The other is that you follow some other streamer or personality, but you know that if you name them then they’d be subject to critique. Most likely, the person you have in mind is a Zionist and you know they’d be called out as such (which would expose your real problem with Hasan) so you just evade the question instead.

      What other possibility even is there?

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        12 hours ago

        Yes, what possibility could possibly exist beyond the false dichotomy you’ve provided.

        Let’s just get rid of the games. I’m not getting into my personal choice because you’re not here saying “yeah Hasan is a piece of shit, but we need him.” You don’t agree that he needs to go to begin with. What confidence should I have that your judgement is sound, based on that? What kind of swine are you, demanding to see my pearl?

        So again, no I will not play this game. You get blocked too. Learn how to have a good faith argument.

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          12 hours ago

          Lmao, saying “Like who?” in response to “There are better mouthpieces” is not “bad faith,” nor is it a “game.” It’s a basic fucking question.

          Cry more, coward. I definitely hit the nail on the head that you’re an embarrassed Zionist. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re a MAGA troll account just trying to shit on anyone on the left.

          Yes, what possibility could possibly exist beyond the false dichotomy you’ve provided.

          I like how you say that sarcastically but you don’t actually answer it.

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          12 hours ago

          The only thing I’ve ever seen you say on this topic is complaints about how Hasan speaks to the chatter on his stream. That’s it.

          If you can’t accurately identify your grievances with what Piker is saying, you’re being a mouthpiece for the fascists.

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      14 hours ago

      I wasn’t the one to claim there are better mouthpieces for leftist ideology that “deserve” a chance more than Hasan.

      The only reason Piker is getting the attention he is right now is because he’s been consistent in his views and he’s been consistent about them for a long fucking time, way before Oct 7th. People are listening and that is scaring establishment Dems and Republicans alike. He’s earned the trust of his viewers and they are working for these candidates - they’re calling, they’re door knocking, they’re getting out there and getting the messaging out.

      Who else is doing that in your opinion?

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        14 hours ago

        How many times do I have to say this? I do not care how much good he does or how consistent his views are. He’s a toxic shitbag worming his way into political power and y’all are out here going to bat for him. You put it up to me to suggest someone else and I could name at least one, but that’s missing the point. There shouldn’t have to be a someone else for you to reject Hasan. He should be rejected on his own (de)merits and not on the basis of his replaceability. If we can’t get shit done without making the same mistakes the bad guys keep making, we’re just going to wind up laying the foundation for the next empire in need of overthrowing.

        And that, as they say, is that. Have a nice day.

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          14 hours ago

          You put it up to me to suggest someone else and I could name at least one, but that’s missing the point. There shouldn’t have to be a someone else for you to reject Hasan.

          It’s your point that you made. How is it missing the point?

          I’m not going to reject Hasan without some serious evidence of wrong-doing. Simply disliking how he speaks isn’t enough to convince me and it shouldn’t be enough to convince anyone else to not listen to one of the strongest voices on the left that is actually helping push people to vote and be active in their political scene.