• nfh@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo. Going this wild about a common grammatical construct because it reminds you of people you hate for existing isn’t conservative, it’s something far worse.

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      5 months ago

      Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

      No, that’s a lie conservatives tell to make their ideology seem less abhorrent.

      What conservatism is actually about is perpetuating hierarchy.

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      5 months ago

      One could argue that so called “traditions” they are holding so much dearly in their heart never was fully a thing and is just the product of past idealizations and marketing propaganda. “The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s is a construct made by marketing people to sell fridges, diamond and beautiful car.

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        5 months ago

        Idealizing a fake era of greatness which came before the weak, but also very powerful bad people took it away.

        Now where have I heard that one before? 🤔

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        5 months ago

        “The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s

        Had one working parent and stay at home moms. But they don’t give a single fuck about that part of it, do they?

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            5 months ago

            “Nobody paid that. They just reinvested in their company [and their employees and reputation] instead.”

            No shit. Sounds great. Let’s do that.

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              The world is honestly too far into the crumbles for it to work like that anymore, they would just use circuitous accounting to funnel it into bunkers, militarized yachts, private armies, and extra planetary fever dreams.

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      5 months ago

      Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

      That’s just what Conservatism claims to be about, but it has always been regressive

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        5 months ago

        I think we agree that most self-identified conservatives aren’t actually very invested in the status quo or tradition, and are actually regressive reactionaries, but I think it’s a clearer point to say that most self-identified conservatives aren’t in fact conservative, than that conservatism isn’t actually what people (claim they) mean when they say conservative. At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

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          At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

          Conservatism hasn’t lost its meaning, conservatism just never meant what conservatives claimed it meant; it’s always been a façade.

          Conservatism is about conserving (and reinforcing) power structures; all talk about ‘tradition’ and ‘stability’/‘status-quo’ is wool over your eyes.

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            The status quo is white supremacy, patriarchy, gender norms, and capitalism. That is what they are conserving. Those are the traditions.

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      5 months ago

      In liberal democracy, the status quo is liberalism. Conservatism was to conserve the monarchy and aristocracy.

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        5 months ago

        There is a difference between historical conservatism and what it has become. Even setting that aside, there is much daylight between what a movement will profess and what it will ultimately produce.

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          No, there really isn’t. True conservatism is an unbroken line from royalists, to confederates, to nazis, to Trump.

          It’s the allegedly small government, pro-freedom “conservatives” – i.e. self-deluded liberals who mislabeled themselves – who were the aberration.