House Democrats are known to be wary of playing any kind of role in shutting down the government. Hell, they hate being perceived as having even considered the idea that a government shutdown could do them political good.

During the 118th Congress, they routinely bailed out a narrow Republican majority when GOP lawmakers just couldn’t pass their own agenda. But now, in the age of Elon and DOGE and with the latest government funding deadline approaching and the House Republican majority as narrow and fractious as ever, there’s real skepticism that Democrats will save Republican leaders from their own failures.

Republican lawmakers certainly are concerned, as evidenced by the fact that they’re already blaming Democrats for not bailing them out.

“Republicans do not have the votes to keep government open on our own,” said Rep. Dusty Johnson (R-S.D.). “So if Democrats want to shut it down, they can.”

Such spin runs hard into some pretty obvious realities. As Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), the ranking Democrat on the Appropriations Committee, noted to The Bulwark, Republicans hold the agenda-setting White House, comfortably control the Senate, and maintain a House majority, their whisper-thin two-seat margin notwithstanding. With a governing trifecta come opportunities but also responsibilities.

“Who’s in charge? White House, House, and Senate,” DeLauro said. “They got it all. They got the trifecta. Where are they? They can’t govern.”

While Democrats still don’t want the perception of cheering on a shutdown, the party has also grown convinced that it must secure some concession from Republicans in any government funding arrangement. House Democrats aren’t eager to cut a deal with an administration that has thrown government contracts, appropriated funds, and whole agencies into a woodchipper without lawmakers’ input, let alone consent.

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    you didn’t want harris or trump to win which made you part of the problem

    taking votes away from harris and electing fascism

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      I didnt take a vote from harris (you literally cant take a vote from a candidate, only give), but semantics. Nor did my vote change the outcome in my state. But yes, we agree, people like me are why harris lost. Time for you move on to the next stage of reasoning.

      Now how are you going to get me to vote for your candidate. Its my vote after all.

      Think hard now, i know this is difficult for you, you’re not alone the dnc has the same lack of logical reasoning you and your ilk have demonstrated repeatedly.

      Go ahead, lay out all the information you know so far from this conversation (bullet point format) and draw some logical conclusions. I have faith in you!

      And then answer this simple question: what didnt harris do?

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        I didnt take a vote from harris (you literally cant take a vote from a candidate, only give), but semantics

        aww that’s cute i think you finally worked out the toddler level arithmetic of the situation. let’s see if we can work on your logic

        i don’t think you’ll ever vote for the dems and i don’t think you care that trump got in

        the only ones you criticize are the dems. you just want to watch the US burn

        ironically the only ones you’re hurting by not supporting the dems are the working class and palestinians

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          Uh huh, way to avoid addressing the point being made about how utterly fucking retarded your world view is about voting and how it leads to facism. Let me clear, I’m wasting my time with you because I do give a shit harris lost, I’m demonstrating to you the issues that need to be addressed and your thought processes exactly mirror the DNC and its why they keep losing.

          The problem is you thinking you can just say ‘my candidate is shitty but better than the other guy!’ and think people have to vote for them, never mind the fact they won’t even get out of bed for such a wonderful selling point. Fun fact: most people in america are:

          1. politically unaware. most dont know how the system works or the parties.
          2. have no idea who’s running or what they stand for and dont consume news in a manner to understand what their vote would mean.
          3. dont give a shit about minority groups they never interact with.
          4. dont give a shit about any of policies harris put forward as her platform.
          5. dont give a shit about any of the wins the biden administration accomplished.
          6. only consistent interaction with the government is via taxes and zoning laws. (aka: irritations)

          The fact you refuse to answer a very basic and simple question is because you know in your heart I’m correct. Harris and the DNC has been fucking around for literally 3 decades (more really) and not putting forth the work they’ve needed to put forward in order to win votes. people have had enough and they’re done or they’re indifferent.

          How will you earn my vote (and by extension, other american’s vote) so your preferred candidates will win?

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            you can just say ‘my candidate is better’, that guy is an actual fascist and is going to make it worse for the genocide and working people.

            just to finish the sentence for ya

            in my heart i think you’re another person that got tricked into left wing fundamentalism by a clever manipulation, either that or you’re doing it deliberately

            ps. by the next election your vote won’t matter

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              you can just say ‘my candidate is better’, that guy is an actual fascist and is going to make it worse for the genocide and working people.

              Dude, you just tried that AND YOU LOST. jesus fucking christ how fucking dense are you? Your world view is literally the person pissing into the wind and wondering why all their clothes smell like urine.

              Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Its literally doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result. The democrats have not been serving the working class for decades.

              They literally censored a member of the party for actually calling trump out during his speech.

              They actively prevented increasing housing supply for decades.

              They willfully killed their opportunity to increase the minimum wage.

              They willfully broke a strike and then retroactively got the one group of workers originally against the strike to say ‘they did right by us! (by preventing us from getting the best deal)’ after seeing the backlash.

              We just had a man murder a CEO in broad day light and become a folk hero, and democrats still oppose single payer. (or any actual healthcare reform)

              At some point you have to realize the people you’re advocating for are trash and that’s why they keep losing because people are not going to be bothered to show up for people who do not have policies that will improve that persons situation.

              They dont care about LGBT+ or fascism or any of the other reasons you keep spouting. They live in bum fuck no where with maybe 10 closetted LGBT+ members in their town and never even been within 100 miles of a transgender.

              When your party platform is essentially we’ll continue to fuck over the working class (aka you) at the behest of our corporate masters, the only bills we’ll put forward are cash give aways to those same masters but we’ll tell you we’re creating jobs, and support a genocide in a foreign land of people just like you but dont worry we’ll protect the transgenders and reduce the cost of a drug you dont even need (insulin). that shit isnt going to even register on those peoples radars let alone give them an incentive to roll out of bed.

              So maybe you should fucking pay attention when a person says: ‘yo dawg, I’m not voting for your candidates here’s why.’ Your first response should be to yell at your candidate to get with the program and not at the person telling you why your candidates are shit. Doubly so when they make it clear they dont give a shit about your lesser evil nonsense. Triply so if their asks literally cost you nothing.

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                seems like the dems have been terrifyingly bad for “decades”

                and yet biden won the last election, and obama a couple before that?

                so what happened in the last 4 years?

                the far right bullshit machine quadrupled in size, paid for by oligarchs

                and the far left started going into overdrive telling the the existing harris voters that she is evil

                triggered by that errm gaza thing maybe?

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                  seems like the dems have been terrifyingly bad for “decades”

                  Yes. just catching on are you? why do you think worker rights stagnated? health care? anyways I’m done, its clear you have no ability to comprehend the problems with the democratic party and you’re not going to be able to convince me that they’re worth voting for when they dont support my interests. so good luck, i’ll see you in the next primaries attempting to elect people who support my interests.

                  Its amazing how categorically dense people like you are. There were 7 or 8 simple policy issues harris could have added to her platform that would have secured my vote and she literally didnt do any of them, instead opting to be a shitty corporate douche nozzle across the board. and yes, gaza was one of them. imagine supprting fucking genocide. you twit.