cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31683994
Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility
The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.
I mean, it makes the most sense to hit that facility with a bunker busting tactical nuke. Probably the only way to significantly ensure enough damage to end production at the facility.
No
You drop nukes and you cross the line. There is a goddamnrd good reason why nobody uses nukes and trump gets in and now all of the sudden everyone and their mother goes “weeeeeeelll, a tactical nuke, might make sense?”
Fuck. That. Shit.
You do NOT blow up nukes, ever.
I ask you a simple question: Name the only nation that has already used a nuclear weapon in a war… twice.
The USA, of course. Did I win anything?
Anyways, now I’ll ask you a simple question
What does that matter? That was some 80 years ago and no nukes have been blown up in a hostile avt ever since for very good reasons.
The few times someone even thought a nuke was flying we got to one step distance from WWIII. Wasn’t it a Finish weather rocket launch that damn near caused Russia to end the world? And the time that some training data somehow got mixed up and they thought an invasion was imminent? It’s half a miracle we’re still here and alive.
You set off a nuke in a hostile act and so many things happen. For one, you cheapened its use and I fucking guarantee you that after the first, the second one will follow shortly. Don’t worry about the fall out, these tactical nukes (I HATE that they had to give those a cool sounding name, especially with people like trump who salivate just over the name) are needed right?
I mean, Iran almost has nukes right? Netanyahu said so, right? Oh wait, that was 10 years ago. And 8 years ago… And 5 years ago… and…
You know, maybe Iran has nukes, maybe it doesn’t. At this point it doesn’t really matter anymore as we have religious doomsday wishers in the whitehouse led by a child who would love nothing better than to be the first president ever in the modern world to launch nukes. Iran is barely a threat on that chart, as evil as it’s regime is.
Either way, that the US dropped nukes 80 years ago is not relevant here
So you want / have to hit a facility designed to survive most attacks, even potential nuclear attacks and you chose to not use the weapons best suited?
Yes, correct. Absolutely. Because there are ramifications way fucking beyond that one instance.
Similarly, if my neighbor’s dog sometimes pisses on the petunias, a gun would absolutely solve the problem, yet despite being extremely effective it may not be the best solution.
I hate how the Internet has made all these arm chair idiots think that they are experts now on military strategy and weapons.
But to answer your question:
No, you do not use nukes. If you really need to get in, drop your bunker buster bombs five times more, you have the airspace as you claimed. Hell, drop twenty of em, still cheaper than a nuke but more importantly YOU WONT BE DROPPING NUKES
What part of “nukes are different, nukes are the end” do you not understand?
Once the first nuke drops, you can rest assured that the second will follow soon for -of which I’m sure will be explained as really really- good reasons and then the third will follow closely after because now we found another good reason…
Nukes aren’t just extremely powerful, they’re also extremely devastating to the world and humanity for a long, long time.
Once nukes start, humanity is done.
You. Do. Not. Use. Nukes.
You’re a fucking clown for suggesting nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are evil, go watch some history videos of what happened to people who were hit by one. And not only that, the destruction is long-term. Using a nuclear weapon to penetrate the Earth will definitely leave the region poisoned for multiple lifetimes.
You want them to retaliate with dirty bombs? Get into another terrorist pissing match?
I mean, that may happen at any time, that’s how terrorism works.
When the cure is worse than the disease.