• Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    46
    ·
    3 days ago

    De-dollarization can’t happen fast enough, as the dollar is one of the pillars of US power. Good thing countries are banding together to make it a priority.

    • Ragnor@feddit.dk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      I have personally advocated for doing this exact thing quite a few times over the past decade or so. It simply isn’t fair that the US gets to tax people from all over the world when they print more money.

    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      3 days ago

      It’s also interesting for California and other blue states.

      Since Trump is attacking the blue states especially, there’s a form of warfare there. As we all know, wars are really expensive and are often decided by who can stay solvent longer.

      Normally, that would be California and other blue states, because they have the better economy. If they stopped paying taxes, that would severely harm Trump.

      However, through the federal reserve, Trump can just print infinite amounts of dollars, and that effectively overrides the blue states’ strong economy.

      So the blue states have a serious interest in de-dollarization, sothat Trump’s money-printing federal reserve becomes meaningless.

      • geolaw@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        3 days ago

        Imagine if the Bank of North Dakota decided to acquire reserves of BRICS currencies

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 days ago

        Increasing supply (printing) without increased demand (taxes) will cause the price (dollar value) to go down. If it goes down too fast, then nobody will want dollars until tax season, and the dollar will hyperinflate.

        Conspiracy theory: that’s exactly what Trump wants because he takes crypto bribes.

        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 day ago

          it all fits together really nicely, somehow. i’m not sure whether trump actually has a plan or things just randomly fit, though:

          • texas wanted to secede from the US for centuries (i believe this is actually a big point that people give too little weight to)
          • the US realizes that the US is not simply going to “allow” texas to secede
          • conservative thinktanks realize that the only way that blue states are gonna be ok with texas seceding is if they themselves dramatically understand the relevance of state’s autonomy and self-responsibility
          • trump attacks california and new york to make blue states understand the importance of having greater independence from the federal government
          • blue states are gonna demand greater independence from the federal government in the next months (2025-2027)
          • texas can then comfortably also claim greater autonomy for itself
      • OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Explain how Trump can order the federal reserve to simply print infinite money? That seems like a total lack of checks and balances. I don’t see that happening at all. But it sounds good online.

          • OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 day ago

            Not in disagree with that statement to some degree. But going full authoritarian, and I mean full to the point if mythical scenarios that some people online are spouting. I just don’t see that happening. Sure there’s a shit load of injustice, imbalance of power, overreach, all sorts of adjectives, adverbs, etc. But I think some of these what ifs or scenarios are far fetched and the internet loves to reach.

            There’s been loads of cover ups, breaches of power, scandals, you name it. But printing infinite money because trump says so and crashing the global economy is not high up on the bingo card. Anything is possible. I’m just saying it seems highly unlikely is all.

        • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          2 days ago

          They simply do press a button and numbers appear in a federal account. There is some bureocracy involved but that’s how it works in a nutshell.

          The US can do this freely without much repercussions because of the US role as an intenational reserve currency, the inflation that comes with printing dollars is offloaded to the rest of the world while the US increases it’s amount of dollars.

        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          edit-2
          3 days ago

          basically when the federal government goes into debt, that basically means that the federal reserve which you can imagine like a big bank hands out a loan to the government.

          the government doesn’t really have to pay back that debt, ever. (it technically has to but that can be avoided by simply taking out a new loan at a later time).

          i hope i explained that correctly.

          • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            2 days ago

            the federal reserve which you can imagine like a big bank hands out a loan to the government.

            No. Debt goes directly to markets. Federal Reserve QE operations are acts of imagining new money to buy bonds from the market. You are describing QE operations, not debt. Past QE operations have forgone interest on Federal reserve holdings, gifting it to Treasury such that the bonds that Fed holds become interest free. The accounting magic is that when the bond is finally due, the Federal reserve does get paid in order to erase the imaginary money they created to buy the bonds. But a given QE balance sheet level, they just buy a new bond from the market with new imagined money.

          • omega_x3@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            3 days ago

            It does have to pay interest on that debt to all the bond holders, if it doesn’t then the bonds lose value and everyone that owns them trys to offload them.

            • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              10
              ·
              3 days ago

              if the interest is just as high as the general inflation, then the government can just take out extra loans to serve the interest without actually increasing the real total debt, because the nominal increase in debt is just eaten by the inflation.