As much as I tell you I voted for Kamala, and beg you you to say Zohran Mamdani’s name and acknowledge him as a Democrat in your unrolled “vote blue no matter who” screeds, you’re gonna project that “purity” onto me?

Do you want to actually unpack what I actually believe to understand the absurdity of your statement, or do you wanna be a useless shitlib that knows “you’re right”?

Believing in shared ideals like freedom and justice for all means rejecting a state when it abandons those ideals.

Good. Glad to hear you’re not that kind of “patriot”.

The whole point of rejecting a national identity is to form a broader human identity. But instead of that people seem to take leftism as another kind of American libertarian individualism were the goal is to reject being apart of anything bigger than yourself.

You’re on the right track. Think Globally, act Locally.

What if I told you that any genuinely Left Irish Republicanism, even from the Irish Diaspora, requires calling for a Free Palestine? We have arrived at that same human collective conclusion while allowing for Pride in our own identity to participate in cementing that.

About Zohran Mamdani, say the words, Liberal: Vote Blue No Matter Who.

Say it.

Quit dancing around it, quit pretending this has nothing to do with everything else I’ve brought up in our discussion.

Say the Line, Bart.

Say it.

Because when all I hear is “vote blue no matter who” unpacked, without acknowledging him? Is Liberal Cope, from a meat-bot that cannot acknowledge the reality implied by the principles it spews.

No more dancing. No more trying to be clever. Say the fucking line, Bart, and be an actual person again.

Yes. And I am arguing which option is the “island of one” is Patriotism.

What’s passed? Is in the past. I voted for Kamala.

Going forward? We’re in the time to actually put pressure on the Democrats NOW for a platform worth voting for.

Now. Can we get some support for Zohran Mamdani, America’s Next Mayor, and harbinger of a New Democratic Party? Or are you too busy arguing with brick walls that they “shoulda, coulda, woulda” ?

Still digging, not seeing your comments on Mamdani.

But the way you run defense for Biden and Cuomo without actually committing to them? Doesn’t leave me hopeful that I can call you a “comrade” in any sense.

Critiquing the Soviet Union? With Nuance? Actually Based. I wanna see what happens when you read William Hinton’s (admitted racist) firsthand account of the Chinese Cultural Revolution in his book “FanShen” and his secondhand account of the reversal in “ShenFan”.

I use the first as evidence that we can do better when we talk to each other - that “ground game” you maligned in this thread. I use the second to describe the Strong-State’s problem of accountability for leadership’s incompetence, and the incentive for workers to outright Lie as a survival measure.

There is hope for you yet. But I would love to hear you explain what soaking in a rightwing geography has pushed you to.

And yes, I still want to hear your thoughts on Zohran Mamdani. They’re buried. Either I need a new interface that makes this search easier, or a restatement.

fucking what? I’ve commented numerous times on Mamdani??

My bad, I’ll dig thru your profile for that.

Bruh. I lived in a deeply conservative area for most of my life. My social circles were deeply conservative, and I feigned being ‘apolitical’ to avoid having to go nuclear at a time when my living position was precarious.

I feel that, and I can relate. I’m less precarious today.

Thinking that there’s a commonality of dislike there is falling for the extremely thin mask they put on whenever some liberal gives them pushback. It’s not real. They immediately drop the mask when around people they think are similar to them.

Oh, that? That’s not what I’m talking about for a motive. But in retrospect, I can see how I read that way.

We have to distinguish between a spectrum of rightwingers - the ones who know the dogwhistles are such, and those who are so uneducated they bought the frame of “small government” as good in its own right because “everyone agrees”. Like it’s a religion they were raised in.

“Hating the elites” (whatever that means) isn’t a coherent political idea as a result. Having 3 jobs and being pissed that you’re still broke? That’s a coherent political thought they don’t even have the vocabulary to express.

Is the “elite-hate” just antisemitism pretending to look vaguely leftish? Potentially. Or has this dudebro been so starved of literacy that he takes the dogwhistle unironically, but won’t connect “billionaire” with that on his own? This is a spectrum.

I’d rather find and talk to the drive of “why am I still poor when I work this hard?”

If an upscale clothing store manager steps to me talking about “these kids don’t know how to work,” I’m acknowledging how exhausted he looks. His is not a life of dignity, and I will say this to him. The education system has failed him through his trainees, and he is being asked to pick up the slack. Where are bank tellers going to come from when kids graduate unable to count money? What kind of AI are data scientists going to build when they don’t understand what each statistics distribution describes?

We are failing to invest in our country, and he will either see how this affects him personally, or he will walk away seething. If he brings up DEI or trans anything, or immigrant crime? I have a one-liner to address it and move back to the real conversation - you work too hard bro, and its because our systems are failing.

This is a hilarious and I relate, but it doesn’t actually help us. Or anyone. One sandwich to a homeless man? Is more actual benefit to the world than saying this.

Unless you go and start a conversation with a Red-hatter this way. Get them riled up and cheering for how you HATE the same people they do, and use it to glean some motivation deeper than “owning the libs.”

Then you can maybe, just maybe talk to a voter about how society has left them behind too. From experience, they have the same concerns, fears, pressures as what drives people to the Left, its just been twisted by gaslighting propaganda about who we are. Before I could bring this red-hatter to a pride parade, they need a LOT of therapy. But for many there is realistic hope.

You still haven’t commented on Mamdani, and that disappoints me.

Meanwhile, I’m here saying “both”.

Do both.

Actually go help your neighbor in person. Directly. Personally. Help your fucking neighbor.

If you want Lefties excited to go vote, give us something to vote for instead of against where the Centrist Libs concede to the Fash every god damn time.

What are your thoughts on Zohran Mamdani? Give me candidates like that, and I’ll bring 20 non-voters to the polls, and each will cast a ballot.

Give me another Clinton, another Cuomo, another Biden? Sorry, when I vote, I vote alone - and this isn’t up to me.

Which way, Western Man? Grow the voter base, grow the party? or grow the campaign warchest from donors that want both sides indebted to their lobbyists?

How we vote in the Primary is how we can get money out of politics.

In the meantime, have you made a sandwich to give away to a stranger? Have you handed a history book to a stranger? Have you had conversations about WHY Fascism doesn’t address our neighbors’ needs?

Your lack of groundwork is disturbing. For as much as you care, you come off like a filthy Casual this way. Let’s fix that?

Yeah, thanks for the correction. Modern Republicanism has a nice Wikipedia page that was worth a perusal.

The former British Colonies tend to use the word “Republican” in a specifically Anti-British-Monarchy way as that Nation sought independence. This does not apply to the US party.

Beginning as Socialist Parties is also a notable trend, though not entirely universal among this category. In this, the US party fits the trend well - but has abandoned that principle. Now they want a damn king too. Its disgusting.

Yeah, fair point.

The original use? Is not how any single Republican Party I can find actually started. Instead it explicitly Anti-Monarchist, even Socialist Decolonialism for former British Colonies. Even the US party began along these lines - but ya know, the whole selling out thing.

Tell an Irish Republican you voted for Trump. I dare you.

The word “Republican” actually comes from is used today as a decolonial form of Nationalist movement, and they are usually Socialists. Elsewhere in the world, “Republican” still means something actually useful for human goddamn dignity. Since nobody sold out the premise like an American Colonizer party.

You gonna tell an Irish Nationalist that they can’t celebrate or defend their people even as “Unionist” Pogroms ravage Catholic parts of Northern Ireland?

You gonna tell an Indigenous Nationalist that their people can’t have the land granted to them by treaties or stand for their people’s sovereign water supply?

You gonna tell a Jewish Nationalist that they can’t be Anti-Zionist, and build their idea of the Jewish Nation and its Diasporic people on standing up against oppression?

These illiterate, domesticated-ass liberals still think “nation = country = state”, like this is 2nd grade. The closest they get to reading is a twitter post, my essaying protects me from their eyes. And they want to talk about what Nationalism is.

Meanwhile Patriotism? Is bipartisan. And it is Stan-ing for a State even as it commits a Genocide. Fuck all of that, and fuck your state. May Trump’s incompetence burn the US’s ability to inflict violence upon the rest of the world.

The people who fed these talking points to Americans were Russian bot farms.

Russian Bot Farms like… The Times of Israel?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/harris-is-a-strong-ally-for-israel-and-american-jews/

False. Patriotism is simping for a state even if it hurts you.

Technically correct in that it’s a Republic

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

Nah. Actually, it does not represent you, what you care about, or anything about you. Quit simping for your own destruction.

By voting?

Oh. You’re not serious. Thanks for the notice to block you.

Real change for Palestinians and the working class? Is that material gain worth voting for.

I bring up Zohran Mamdani as an example of exactly that, and you decide that I’m only in it for me? Lovely.

Maybe we’re not using that word “material” the same way. You seem to think that means I only care about “my money.” I’m talking about actual, real world change instead of some Liberal Gesture that changes nothing.

Democrats whose strategy includes moving Republicans to the Right to appear more “reasonable” and “in the center” are not real change for anyone. It is their strategy, demonstrably. Repeatedly. As cited above.

Biden’s closest thing to a campaign slogan was “nothing will fundamentally change.” - and he delivered on that. My friends, neighbors, community were all still hurting from Trump the entire way through his term. And the more I looked, the more it was the same everywhere.

Harris refusing to rebuke Biden? Was a critical misstep. As was allowing the party to carry on influencing Republican primaries for the same “centrist” appeal. Picking up Megan McCain and Dick fucking war criminal Cheney endorsements and refusing to alienate them was not the way to retain the Left or Youth.

And denying it or ignoring it? Is demanding that I serve you the same hugbox echo chamber as a facebook feed.

So… Are you “Blue no Matter Who” for Mamdani now that he has the Nomination? Or nah.

Mamdani or no, Liberal. Put up or shut up - is that party a “big tent” that wants to include actual Leftists open to voting, or are we not allowed to actually participate in your Helldiver “Democracy”-that’s-just-branding?

I don’t care about a single other word you say until I get an answer - is Mamdani a Democrat to you after winning the nomination on a platform of affordable living for all of NYC?

The platform and organizing strategy that won him an unprecedented primary victory is a model for the party that needs to be emulated, repeated. Are you open to that? Because I can vote for that. I can bring others to vote for That who wouldn’t vote otherwise.

Which is it? Mamdani or no? Can your party compromise to the Left for a change now? Or is that privilege only reserved for Fascists in even a minority party, such as under Obama’s first 2 years?

Bernie lost the popular vote

And yet he was the most popular politician in the country at the time. Fascinating how we can ignore the political machine of Billionaire-owned Media Empires and their pocket-politicians.

The neoliberal you’re shadow boxing lives in your head.

If the Democrats want my vote from here on out? They have to EARN it. You’ve convinced me. This sense of entitlement to MY vote is entirely uncalled for, especially as their strategy includes funding the worst Republicans possible in the Primaries:

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106256047/why-democrats-are-paying-for-ads-supporting-republican-primary-candidates

…and then crying when it backfires.

I shall now default to non-voting. I will only vote for people who offer actual material policy gains like Zohran Mamdani does, Democrat or otherwise.

Any Democrat who fails to do this? Will either win without me or fail without me. Either way, I lose nothing. You have convinced me.

In a democracy, the state is not a formless, uninfluenced entity. It’s the way it is because the people are horrible.

No deference to the systems we grow up in? No ability to understand context?

The US is not a Democracy.

Congrats. We’re all shit. All of us. You and me too. GO TO THERAPY.

Want to" is not when your freedom of speech ends man. No, the dems are not taking away your freedom of speech

I didn’t realize all I had to do was “talk” to have my material needs met. To have my ideas as part of the political conversation.

Wait, I do that, to people, face to face. We still have ghost jobs polluting our employment statistics, and blackshirts on the streets abducting neighbors.

I live in an area that is putting actual money into balancing the scales but yeah sure it’s just a empty words ~

Congrats. How did you get there? I need you to understand that is a privilege not all of us have. And without further detail, I’m curious about how many of your neighbors face a different reality.

Harris’ refusal to break from Biden on the campaign trail and the DNC consultants sunk her campaign into the ground.

Yep. I don’t understand this fetish for decorum. People are hurting, and all your entire party could do was consider the feelings of a dementia-riddled genocide supporter.

Quit running defense for a Party that was already staging Genocide before Joe was in charge:

https://www.voicesheardfoundation.org/post/deportations-and-due-process-comparing-obama-and-trump-policies

They’re just more polite, so they let you go back to brunch while the Genocide continues within our own border.

Fuck you and everything you stand for, Diet-Fascist.

The fact is, Democrats refuse to learn from their mistakes. Y’all Liberals refuse to learn anything from your own voters. Ever.

The fact is, your party is responsible for making Austerity politics (and mislabeling it as “abundance” with Ezra Klein) bipartisan for more than 30 years.

This strategy is how we got Trump. I don’t blame Romney for Trump - I blame Clinton ratcheting to the Right.

When Bernie can win States’ popular vote and lose it because of Party-appointed “super delegates” in 2016? That’s not fucking Democracy.

When the entire party rallied behind Biden so thoroughly that half the country didn’t even get to vote in the Primary before Biden was the presumptive Nominee in 2020? That’s not Democracy, and Bernie was arguably a Coward for not calling you on it. But… Voting out the fascist was priority. And Biden promised to be a 1-term president.

2024 - that 1-term promise? SIKE!!! Until his failing mental condition lagged out so hard that his VP took over, no voting allowed.

Fuck you. Sincerely, and deeply. You deserve Trump as much as anyone in his Simp cult. Blue Maga gave us Red Maga.

Patriotism is being a Simp for a State that doesn’t give a fuck about you.

National Parks

Stolen indigenous land?

innovation

So… Unless you can define what this means, I have to assume it involves Chinese manufacturing.

freedom of speech

Unless you’re on the actual Left that Democrats want to suppress and Republicans want to execute.

actually admitting our racism and bigotry [ . . . ] even if failing

Yeah… Uh… Im going to have to disagree - I see empty gestures made out of a fetish for decorum, which is a holdover from an even older Conservatism. That’s several history doctorates of a rabbit hole to unpack.

a diverse population

Finally, something good! I can get there with “love your neighbor” instead. No State-simping necessary