Touché, indeed.

Oh boy! …Here we go, dropping a new Dystopia again!

So… What happens when it is wrong?

Hi friend,

“VAERS is not designed to assess cause and effect, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event (AE) or illness. Some reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to bias. Data from VAERS reports should be interpreted with these limitations in mind… Etc…”

Did you even try to read my claims? I never claimed this.

My claim: Government did an observational study where they designated a Vaccine Committee and which looked at the first two years of data and then, the government designated a vaccine satey committee and then they went through the data and sorted and still found examples where they begrudgingly admitted some connection regarding safety.

Again, I ask you, is your claim the source is useless? Yes or No? If is is useless then why are you, if American paying for it? Is your claim that VAERS is then all smoke and mirrors?

So which one is it? Is VAERS next to useless, so why does big pharma and taxes pay for it for about 35 years? Or it is useful once the data is parsed and thus can in fact show us vaccine injuries? You can’t have both narratives exist. The study I showed was Government sactioned so are the Feds lying? Which one is it?

When they say “anyone,” they do not mean, anons, you have to enter some medical info. You could be a rand9m pereon bit you have to enter a Doctor or some medical proffessionals persons name/ID. It is not like a random lottery. Have you actually try to fill a form and upload it to the HHS? Please. Try. Stop reading this and GO fill a fake report. There is nothing to lose, as you say. Go, do it. Let us know once you have downloaded the PDF filled it up and uploaded it back. We will all wait.

If someone enters bad info and lies, but add no Medical ID or Doctor’s into, etc then they just ignore the data point. Easy come, easy go. You clearly have never worked with any databases of this type. Obviously. To say there is no or 0 control is outstanding and I cannot believed you think that would fly. Logically.

Do you even understand what you are copy/pasting? When they say “VAERS” alone they mean using the RAW data. Cool. I literally stated that before, Data needs to be sorted – AKA: Investigated before you can use it. I did say that and I did state that people DID that in the study I posted. Like, you are not really reading or understanding what I am say? Honestly asking, is English your first language? It is not mine, bit I think I am being clear enough. Yes, friends, the reports DO get investigated. It takes a wild and we can question how well they investigate those entries and hiwnfast, butbthey do. Science is not magic.

Politics in general and in my mind should not have anything to do with vaccines or Science, in general. But in the real world, they do, because people are attention monkeys l, Left or Right or UP and Dow. and there is money and ego and voting power involved via PR, so it js. A sad reality of the world. I wish politics had nothing to do with it. That would be ideal. I’m my opinion.

I can tell for a fact now that you actually do not read Vaccine Studies cover to cover. At the risk of sounding bad, I do not just abstracts or conclusions. And if you actually read any studies in general then you know that there is plenty of room for a lot of questions and an unreasonable level of lies by omission.

A point here, is how off you are about VAERS and how you push so-called pro-vaxxie misinformation, not so much different than anit-vaxxers in zest that only harms actual scientific discussions, because you parrot things without fully understanding the nuances involved.

These weird, creepy attempts at upboarding onto AI, sound like they are projecting FOMO onto people, for profit, of course.

Absolutely valid reasons too, and also a mix of some of all of those. LOL

There is no 100% to know the outcome of a “what if.” The vaccine could have given her side effects, serious ones, as per the study I sourced, the vaccines may have not helped. People still do die from diseases they have taken shots despite constant PR against that notion. The third leading cause of death in hospitals in the USA is medical malpractice as per one review, that’s at lesst 25,100+ people, others put it at around 4%, or 30,000-40,000 , yet another equally weak one puts it at least 1% of total deaths. Point is that those are absolutely huge margins to be wrong in and not have a better idea but you are never going see a hospital hanging a banner with those facts, and next to no one wants to take the time and seriously look into it. Partly because of the fear that they will find a fairly accurate number that is bad or out of fear people will stop going to hospitals if results ate not great in the aggregate.

The above the best reasoning to remaining blind about perhaps some uncomfortable facts. But this happens in medical science and research a lot more than what people are aware of. Lots of conflicting interests.

Up here in Canada, death % in soecific hospitals are public, so you could technically pick and chose a better hospital if you have enough data and now how to interpret it.

Throughout history hundreds upon hundreds upon hundrends of millions of people had measels and moved on with their lives as if nothing. People still do today, outside the West and some do die. We do know that she died, and it happens. Millions die every day. Or, she could have been fine, or the reason she died is that she had some subclinical issues that they were not aware of. We would have to wait for the report.

I am apathetic about it, I wish them neither negative or positive vibes. One can assume that they are heartbroken that their child died, but it happens. They took a risk and they lost. I do not know who they are, or their situation or beliefs so I am not going to project my biases onto them. I would say, in my opinion that having a “it serves them right,” attitude toward complete strangers that we have 0 info on them is patronising if you go around telling people outside echo chambers. But hey, I am not going to tell you what to feel or not. It is your choice. I would argue that having a lost child can be perceived as usually a devastating happenstance, to callously say that are not “paying” for it, seems like projecting on your part. Personally, I do not know, so I am not going to pretend that I do.

In real life, having freedom of choice in things means that those actions have consequences. Sometimes outcomes are great, sometimes outcomes are terrible. I would say that them living with those may be sufficient. Guess that coming from a third world country that has gone through a civil ear makes one a realist or pragmatic about the reality of choice. I would still rather have a choice than no choice. Just like I would not go to someone else’s country and tell them how to live their loves, despite that I could certainly have some private opinions on it.

I fully get why you feel bad about the girl, though. But I also get that people are allowed to do choices and live or die due to the consequences. You want to vaccinate and take one every other week? tlThen do it, vaccinate your plants if that makes you happy. But we have no right to tells other what to do.

Sorry, but you clearly do not know what you are talking about. You are likely parroting whatever you heard the talking heads on TV said during Covid. You know you are. You likely have never looked as VAERS or know how it works, aside what you knee-jerk as a response.

VAERS was literally created by big pharma and the Feds as the first line of defence against harm signals. You saying it is not a reliable source is as nonsensical as saying that because planes are usually safe, that no one ever dies in them. The study was a quick review of the very first years of VAERS, by the government.

It is a Federal Crime to knowingly submit lies in VAERS, and despite what you heard on TV or new media not anyone can enter whatever they want in them. At some point you have to enter medical IDs, either yours or your health provider’s to validate the results. Your mom cannot go to VAERS and enter whatever they want. That is just a meme. Sure, wrong assessments may he entered but they do get studied and sorted. Too slowly, in my opinion but I digress, the BS you read during the pandemic was people taking pre-parsed data and claiming that to be sorted data when it is was not. But to say the system is not realible in the aggregate as a good frontline tool makes you sound as conspirational as the so called anit-vaxxers. If it was not realible post-parsing, it would not exist.

Second, you clearly did not bother to click on the link and the read the study, if you had, you would be eating your own words. The study was extracted from VAERS by government employees and data was parsed by a government formed comittee. It was not Joe and his buddies shooting the shit. You sound ridiculous.

It was the Institute of Medicine (US) Vaccine Safety Committee; Stratton KR, Howe CJ, Johnston RB Jr., et all. Plus, I specifically looked for pre-Covid studies so I can by-pass exactly the parroting that sprang from 2020-circa onward. Before 2018, 99.9999% of most had never heard of VAERS. Thus almost all entries were done by medical proffessionals that had at least some feasible merit and not just some casual heart attack after a shot.

Also, you may not know this but many shots do come with a fairly large amount of documentation regarding side effects, Doctors will normally will just not show it to patients, so if there is no reasons to expect for a heart attack for say a polio shot, then they would likely not even enter it. If you do not believe me, ask your doctor to open a package any shots come in in front of you. It is no crime to ask.They usually won’t and will think you are crazy if you ask, but it is part of informed consent, but that has gone to the wayside because they may sometimes think patients are too stupid to rationalise staristical risks and perhaps think vaccine uptake would suffer. So they do not, but they should.

Anyway, if heart attacks are not expected, they would not even think about it. So clearly again, your example of a heart attack reeks to Covid BS.

For all the, “follow the Science,” pro-vaxxie people spout, they have become so obsessed to own the anit-vaxxers and knee jerk responses --specially online-- that they have for years now parrot the same level of useless misinformation as the anit-vaxxers and will go after any reasonable discourse on the topic of medical interventions because AnTi-VaXxeR CoNsPiRACY!! 11.

Is there an actual, reasonable argument that you have? That is not assuming that I have no idea of what I am talking, or that I do not know want VAERS is, or of what it entails and its limitations? I am open to it, if you are.

Of we can go back to the politics of it.

But… This is a good thing. I will take it. More FOSS awareness is great news. As long as it sticks.

They are missing one hat. Just saw it being made today, on TikTok. Literally, off the press, as it were.

Wow, had not seen this one. Some good talent is going into these.

In fairness, also of Communism and Military Dictatorships.

For as far as the info available, I would say that yes, it was the parent’s choice. I get it. Some may disagree with me and that is fine. People are allowed to disagree with me.

Closer to where I live we have some Mennonites and they chose to not vaccinate either at all, or at least only the ones that are far more serious. I doubt they may say no to a rabies vaccine. That’s my guess, though.

It is their choice. Not going to march into their communities and call them all a bunch of idiots. They are all adults and parents. I have no right to tell them how to raise their kids, small risk or no risk.

Hey, I think you are replying to me? But Iwas not the one who said, “in the long run,” that was the poster above me.

I did not make that claim. But nevertheless, if I may, 25 years from now, is a long time. I agree that many things can change. But right not, when it comes to privacy, the next 5-10 years do not look good.

I use Linux on all my machines due to privacy, and tech background, I like Linux, and because I support FOSS. If you do too, we are less than 5% of all users, likely closer to 4%.

I use Firefox based browsers, and if you do too, we are less than 4% of all internet users. Closer to 3%.

If you use the Fediverse. The entire Fediverse cannot be more than 100 million. I posted elsewhere that all Lemmy users are less than 433,000, total. We are likely under 20 million or maybe a tad more? FB has like 3 billion. Twitter has hundreds of millions, I believe. Even Bluesky is like 32 million. Feel free to fact check me on that, it has been a while since I last checked.

Everything is turning into subscriptions services and at least in my circle of friends, when I mentioned the fact that people have bought corporate microphones that listen to everything that they say, with clips of those going to corporate, they all accept it as fact, but there follows this weird uncomfortable cognitive dissonance where people accept it but do not want to really think about it because they like asking Alexa for weather alerts and to play music, etc. And they are all fine with it. When I deal with normie people, they are 100% on board with giving away all privacy if it saves them a click or two. Maybe in 25 years it may be different, but this is not changing in 5 years. That is for sure. Maybe not even 10 or more. The majority is likely to not really change in that time. Since tech trends are heading into even less privacy, in the aggregate.

At the risk of sounding callous, since a life lost is sad, it was their choice.

Article says that its been 2 deaths in 10 years in a country of over 320 to 340 million+. If those two deaths had happen in 2025 alone, the absolute risk of anyone dying, vaccinated or not is about 0.000000589%. Now divide that risk over 10 years and even compensating for a smaller US population, we are now talking astronomically small.

Like, if someone is worried over those odds then they would not be able to move or exist, rationally. Sometimes people have bad luck. I come from a 3rd world country and when I asked the parents, they said that measels was never seen as a serious disease by anyone in the aggregate. So to me this whole story comes off as a bit like fear mongering due to orange man bad.

To be fair. I wanted to look for any studies re: Vaccination risks, if out of sheer Scientific curiosity. And surprisingly, there seems to be a lot of reluctance in people wanting to do solid, well powered research on this topic, outside observational studies. But found one in the internet archive. Feel free to take a look, the scope was 2 years and obviously pre-Covid. Certainly wish there were more or better studies. These are not just for the MMR shot:

Death - Adverse Events Associated with Childhood Vaccines - NCBI Bookshelf](https://web.archive.org/web/20190310003733/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/)

“VAERS began operation in November 1990. By July 31, 1992, there were over 17,000 reports in VAERS, almost 11,000 of which concerned vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Of the total number of reports, just over 2,500 of them were considered to be “serious,” which is defined as the following: the patient died, suffered a life-threatening illness, or suffered a reaction that resulted in, or prolonged, hospitalization or that resulted in permanent disability.”

There was no real Twitter exodus to here. Most users came and went back. Or ended up in Threads, stuck there since FB will delete their IG account if they delete their Threads ID or BlueSky and even that last one is starting to go down already. Peak was Nov, 2024.

Lemmy Stats: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

BlueSky Stats: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats

I think you overestimate the normie mindset. Most people want a heavily curated, walled garden and silos which high-end corps provide, if sold under convenience. Most are not going to go around looking at say Lemmy or Mastodon instances and pick and decide. Most people who use WhatsApp can barely switch to something that does not utterly spy on them despite the fact they know that Meta spies on their Meta data. FB is wretched but it has billions of user, alone. Doubt it will be the fediverse.

If this is to be believed, all Lemmy users do not even break 433,300 users total. Unless I am reading it wrong.

https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

Technically, no propaganda of any sort at all.

Counter propaganda or anti-propaganda is just differently angled propaganda. You cannot fix propaganda with more propaganda.

If you want to understand your mom, you need to see or read what she sees. Just telling her she is wrong is not going to help. Repeating that she is wrong is just not going to help.

Plus as an adult that she is, you might not be able to dissuade her. Perhaps, you may have to simply not touch the topic when with her.

When I was younger, I naively used to think that if I had the facts or Academic papers or research to prove point XYZ on my side, that I would be able to argue valiantly against some people I used to know. Ha, I was so silly. I could literally point or give the proof to my arguments on a silver platter, be empathetic about it, down to page numbers or exact quotes, and people would simply not even bother to read them, because they were certain they were right. Some people just want to be Right, not Correct. Due to such worldviews being driven not by fact but by emotion. Fear, anger, bias, lies by omission, but usually peppered with some facts here and there, etc. Hence you need to know where your mom is coming from. Takes patient and an open mind.

Trying to change them, will just end up in damaging your current bonds. Do you want to risk that? Maybe over time. But just focus mostly on what you have and enjoy the time you have, over spending it arguing. Life is short enough as it is.

Billionaires from both political sides do the same thing. Neither side has clean hands.

For example: Via a group called WaytoWin.

Kamala Harris Online Influence Campaign EXPOSED; $10 Million On TikTok!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JytdxpsJdLQ)

Good on them. The use of AI in military applications conveniently gets next to 0 coverage both in these type of events and also in the general news media.

Same with drone warfare. Which should terrify us all. Imagine a swarm of 30-50 drones with small explosives attacking some public event? Hell. Even jist a couple. Sadly. It will happen one day, sooner than we think.

Good stuff.