TheRealKuni

If you watch the more recent footage you can clearly see most of the plane slowly cartwheeling through the sky into the water. It was still mostly a plane.

I was not prepared for boob wings this early in the day.

Wikipedia does a good job explaining after the chart here.

Most people aren’t riding trains or buses hundreds of miles at a time, and there are FAR more people riding trains and buses. So per hour traveled, those will be safer.

But while you don’t take planes from say, one part of NYC to another, you CAN take trains and buses to other cities. So mileage becomes a more meaningful comparison. Sure a bus might be safer per hour, but a bus ride from NYC to LA will take many more hours than a plane ride.

Is it still the safest mode of travel per time spent travelling?

I think per hour travelled bus and train edge out airplanes simply due to the sheer number of people riding those forms of transit every day. But not by much.

According to Wikipedia, it’s 11.1 deaths per billion hours for bus, 30 for rail, and 30.8 for air.

Edit: It’s important to note that you can’t really directly compare based on those values. Wikipedia explains why after the chart. Taking a bus from NYC to LA would be more dangerous than taking a plane from NYC to LA, even if an hour on a bus is safer than an hour on a plane, because of the number of hours the bus would take to get to its destination.

Nah, Lost_My_Mind gives a much more typical representation.

This tells me I need to watch Northern Exposure, Schitt’s Creek, and Fawlty Towers.

And that you need to watch 30 Rock, Community, Scrubs, and Arrested Development.

Did you miss the Toronto crash?

I’m not sure why you asked me this in response to this comment. The Toronto crash has nothing to do with anything I said there.

As for my previous comment in the chain, I made that comment roughly around the same time as the crash happened. So obviously I hadn’t heard of it yet.

It would be hypocritical to desire understanding of nuance from others but not possess it ourselves.

There is plenty to shit on Trump for. Including his continued gutting of the FAA. Future accidents will be his fault eventually, at this rate.

But I thought the dipshits putting Joe Biden “I Did That” stickers on gas pumps were complete morons. There’s no reason to stoop to the level of blaming everything you don’t like on the guy you don’t like. That’s simplistic tribalism and frankly stupid.

General aviation crashes are not uncommon.

We’ve had one commercial aviation crash in the US since Trump took office. That one crash had nothing to do directly with decisions he made (though decisions he has made certainly make them more likely as time goes on).

But the other four have been general aviation. Those types of accidents, unfortunately, occur more frequently. For example, in September 2024 a couple of men died in a crash near Provo, Utah. I know about this because my wife’s cousin knew them, and had recently spoken to the pilot about his new plane. But that crash wasn’t widely reported.

But since there was a commercial crash, followed by a crash of an air ambulance Learjet into a residential area, everyone is now reporting broadly on every incident. Just like how after Boeing had issues with the MAX8 and MAX9, everything that went wrong with a 737, even ones that were decades old, was suddenly “newsworthy” because people would click on headlines about Boeing. The kinds of maintenance issues that are normally just headaches for travelers and flight crews became national news, as long as the plane was a Boeing. Similarly, now it’s “anything with wings crashes, print it.”

I say all this not to defend Trump, or the year 2025, or anything like that, but just to provide context. You’re hearing about types of incidents you normally don’t hear about, and it’s making it seem like suddenly there are a lot of plane crashes.

Commercial crashes? 0 is the normal number. But generally aviation crashes are much less rare, sadly. They happen.

In the Overton Window that is US politics, it is. But that’s because the damn window has been dragged so far to the right that facts themselves are “Liberal Marxism” now (oxymoronic as that label is).

Edit: And MBFC perpetuates that rightward movement. I prefer Ad Fontes, although it does also label CNN as center-left.

Is that really part of Star Trek lore? Because…that’s terrifying if so.

We do. It’s the 2nd amendment. Literally what it was written for, the forceful reclamation of democratic freedom should it be taken by a tyrannical leadership.

Except that’s not what it was written for. That’s a modern interpretation.

The 2nd amendment was written because Madison believed a standing army would make the Federal government too powerful, so he didn’t want a large standing army. He wanted each state to have a militia made up of citizens. He changed his mind on the matter after the War of 1812.

You know the 2nd amendment wasn’t about allowing overthrows of the government because the government put down rebellions with weapons in the years following its adoption.