Especially considering he’s claiming to be an anarchist…

When have you known an anarchist to capitulate to a country they describe as fascist?

don’t take the interest of the people living in Ukraine as the same as the Ukrainian state. Which sovereign? The people, who supposedly is “the sovereign” or the system of power ruling over a liberal nationalist state with very strong repression on (leftist) activists.

You don’t have to agree with the policy of a state to validate their right to self defense… I don’t agree with all of the policy of the Palestinian state, does that mean they deserve to be genocided, or shouldn’t be allowed to defend themselves?

Please. This should be beneath you.

What do you call a person echoing all the talking points of a fascist state? If someone in the 30s was defending lebensraum… I would call them a Nazi.

You’re talking about people and families, not about “Ukraine”.

Ahh, so how do you refer to the Palestinian genocide? Is this delineation from a state from the states people consistent in your ideology, or is it just performative?

I am an anarchist. I would like to separate the power structure from the containing entities (i.e.: I disagree with the common understanding of the purpose of the state).

Lol, you are an anarchist and yet you are defending a fascist state? How exactly is an anarchist failing to analyze the danger of such a hierarchical organization as modern Russia? Since when did anarchist capitulate to fascist? You are an embarrassment to anarchism and need to go read some Murray Bookchin.

The cis-men (and some trans women) were drafted. You’re talking about the power structure again. There may be a lot of voluntaries, but derserters are not tolerated

Again, you are critical of the side defending themselves against a fascist state. You do realize Russia is also drafting people to perpetuate the war? Anarchist have a long history of aligning themselves with governments they don’t agree with to fight fascist, you know because fascism is antithetical to anarchism. What is wrong with you?

A part of them literally are forced. I didn’t say anything about “en masse”.

Ahh, so because the draft exists that means the fascist army that is also drafting people deserve to take what they want? So you know nothing of critical/mutual aid?

Do you think that Russia is the only actor spreading propaganda? O.o It’s even working in Europe: All of Germany (and I think France?) is incredibly hyped for militarization!

Because…? Oh yeah, a fascist nation started the first war in Europe for the first time in decades and has mobilized into a war time economy. Just because anarchist do not believe in certain aspects of the state does not mean they can’t provide critical support in the face of fascism, just as they have done in the past.

probably won’t believe me, but I condemn any imperialism. Not just the one done by the “bad guys”.

But you are making a false equivocation between fascist and liberal imperialism… I’m not a fan of any imperialism either, but I also recognize fascism as the worse form. As an anarchist you too should be able to make the same criticism based on the competing governments hierarchical structure of organization.

If you aren’t recognizing and evaluating based on hierarchy than you aren’t really an anarchist, you’re just a libertarian.

Are you trying to explain to me that war between sovereigns is actually class war?

Lol, are you confusing the definition of sovereignty with sovereign…as in a monarchy? In a democracy sovereignty belongs to the citizens. If we are analyzing hierarchical structures between Russia and Ukraine, which of the citizens posses more sovereignty over their government? The fascist nation led being led unconstitutionaly by a dictator… Or the struggling democracy defending itself from a fascist invasion?

Would that be ok with you? / am not the one in the camp of “international law” and that borders may not be drawn by the sword.

Well, why would you have a problem with it? Your rebuttal with Ukraine is that you aren’t enough of a nationalist to believe in the abstract idea of a nation defending itself…so what would be your problem with NATO doing the same thing Russia is doing to Ukraine?

Seems your argument changes depending on who is the aggressor.

I’d protest, too. Because I don’t like either colonialism. I can condemn both Israel and Hamas, too.

Lol, what a fucking coward. You aren’t an anarchist, you are just a contrarian sitting on the sidelines too afraid to make a stand. You are just a nihilist.

You didn’t specify much on the interest why NATO would do such a thing, so I can’t properly get into your scenario.

Weren’t you the one who didn’t believe that Russia was the aggressor? Again you are a coward and a dishonest one at that.

You’re strawmanning me. I implied that NATO is an imperialist instrument. It’s an association of states to conduct war. Do you even have a proper definition of “Imperialism” that’s not on the level of a Star Wars fan podcast?

No, you are just lying again. You said they weren’t a defensive organization, which is a line straight from the Kremlin.

May I remind you that this discussion started with “no war but class war”. Who profited from these deals? Do you think there is such a thing as a “stable arms economy”?

May I remind you that I started this by condemning American imperialism… I didn’t claim that NATO wasn’t a form of imperialism, it’s just not a fascist one. Again you are falsely equivocating imperialism with fascism.

I think it’s a shame that you feel obliged to steep to these lows.

I’ve provided plenty of examples where your line of reasoning directly conflicts with your claims depending on who we are talking about. Also, claiming to be an anarchist and then tolerating fascism is the last straw. There isn’t a anarchist in modern history who wouldn’t create a common front to fight literal fascist.

If you really are being honest…which I highly doubt. You really need to read some more anarchist literature and maybe some history books. But again, you have too many conflicting ideas to be a reliable narrator.

Yeah, I honestly don’t know what these kinda people get out of wasting their days spreading this kinda shit. I guess misery loves company?

Sorry, I’m not nationalist enough for this discussion

Lol, you don’t believe in sovereignty, the right to self rule, or even in a group of people being able to defend against a group of people that you proclaimed to be fascist?

Sounds like you just like fascist.

the abstraction that Ukraine is “defending itself”

What exactly is abstract about people taking up arms to defend their families and loved ones?

The Ukrainian state is forcing it’s male population to die for national interest.

Or maybe a people are defending themselves against a fascist invasion? I don’t think the people of Ukraine really have a high opinion of their own government or the US in general, but they seem to be willing to fight against fascist.

Like I said, if they were being forced en masse to fight against their will they would just be surrendering. You are once again repeating Russian propaganda.

sovereign nations doesn’t sound much like “no war but class war” to me.

Sovereignty in the face of imperialist attempting to subjegate a people isn’t class war? Again, are you really that stupid?

If so what would be your problem with NATO actually invading Russia?

When have I been “regurgitating pro Russian media”? Simply because I don’t buy NATO’s narrative about being a “defensive organization”?

Lol, right there… The idea that NATO is some diabolical decades long plan to destroy Russia is ridiculous considering that Russia was part of a NATO joint council and wanted to join up until the late 2000s.

Russia only started spreading that idea when post Soviet states started to join because Russia was funding civil strife in those nations, notably Georgia. Until Russia started funding breakaway territories in their neighbors country’s NATO was nothing but a forum for the US to sell their arms.

You are obviously not arguing in good faith, or are just incredibly stupid. Judging by your other post, it’s looking like you’re just an accelerationist …so incredibly stupid it is.

Sorry, but as soon as you start blaming one imperialist more that the other, you’re pack, playing the imperialists’ games.

You are doing the same by capitulating to a fascist invasion without regard to the people being invaded…

Is Putin a horrible fascist? Yes.

But apparently not horrible enough to validate self defense?

Am I trusting the media that Ukraine wants to be a liberal paradise where everyone is free to do and say what they want

What the media says is irrelevant to the nature of the conflict. A sovereign nation is defending itself versus a fascist invasion.

long as they win this proxy war of Europe/the US? Nope.

Ahh, so Ukrainians have no autonomy or right to fight against an invasion? If Ukrainians were solely puppets of the US and Western Europe they wouldn’t be willing to lay their lives down for their country, nor could they have ever defended themselves against such a larger and more well equipped foe. They would have fallen to the initial invasion, just as Russia initially thought was going to happen.

The cognitive dissonance required to attack “the media” while regurgitating pro Russian media is astounding. I really wonder if you are purposely being obtuse for propaganda purposes, or if you are just such a contrarian you actually believe the nonsense that you amplify.

Eh… Just because I recognize class war when I see it doesn’t mean I don’t support Ukraine’s right to independence.

It was the Russian oligarchs who started the war and should receive the lion’s share of blame for the deaths of both Ukrainian and Russian civilians. Russia is clearly a more hierarchical and violent government than just about any nation in the world, and I won’t strip away the Ukrainian people’s autonomy and right to choose the future they will.

There ain’t no war but class war. The reason America and other democracies around the world are failing to stand up to Russia is because the oligarchs of those democracies are jealous of Russian oligarchs.

Being a billionaire in Russia grants you the power and resources of the state. You can openly murder members of the press, forever imprison the political opposition, bury activists, and crush your workers for trying to unionize. And all you have to do is kiss one ring, that’s it.

Then you can continue destroying the country and turning it into a machine that kills the poor, while you sip on your drink on a beach in Thailand.

I don’t think Putin owns Trump because he’s been compromised in some way, he and other rich people just like the way Putin runs things. So long as you’re loyal you get to do whatever you want.

Only if you want to show everyone you’re a good boy!

It’s also not really explaining much either. They don’t give examples of other elections to compare it too, and their own methodology is lackluster.

They are basically saying that after approx 250 votes trump started to pull ahead, which is to be expected as a lot of early Dem voters were mail ins.

To be honest it just seems like they are trying to purposely confuse normal phenomena with statistical diction, and alluding to claims without providing context.

Usually when making claims this grand you would also want evidence to match it. You’d also want to provide an example to compare it to previous elections utilizing the same methodology.

Man, your posting history is crazy. It’s impressive that you possess the levels of cognitive dissonance to believe yourself to be progressive, but also fully support a genocide.

Wonder what’s going to finally push you to fully embrace your fascist heel turn.

What if there was statistical evidence of probable tampering?

All of the allegations listed on this site have fairly logical explanations when given context.

Republicans pushed against mail in ballots hard, so it makes sense that Harris would do better with mail ins and trump would do better with early voting. It also makes sense that trump voters mainly cared about the presidential election compared to Harris voters. It also makes sense that Harris underperformed as Democrats didn’t get to participate in a primary. Basically it makes sense for there to be abnormalities in an abnormal election, that doesn’t mean there’s “statistical evidence of probable tampering”.

Plus Trump, in his rambling, said something that [heavily implies tampering with vote counting machines

Right… But this means that we would be questioning trump’s honesty based on assuming that trump is being honest on this particular subject. He’s a troll who likes to stir the shit and make people assume he’s more competent than he really is, the same as musk.

It does not behoove progressives to question the reliability of elections without real evidence. Having people question the reliability of elections only serves conservative agenda of making it harder for people to vote.

Yeah… Unless things have significantly changed since I lived in Dallas 10 years ago, I’d say this is just dpd not wanting to add additional work on their plate. Getting them to respond to anything short of murder was like pulling teeth.

Yeah, Giáp is undeniably one of the greatest minds in modern military history. Not only did he defeat some of the most powerful militaries in the world, he did so in strategically different positions.

I can’t think of another commander who excelled against an occupying force as an insurgent, was successful in counter insurgency, and defeated a better armed opponent in a head to head battle.

You’re totally right, if America had a general as successful everything in the US military would be named after them, we’d never hear the end of it.

Feel like this is really belittling to the VC and PAVN, the Ho Chi Minh trail is rightfully known as one of the greatest achievements of military engineering in the 20th century.

The North Vietnamese military didn’t win because America was just that incompetent, they had arguably a couple of the best generals in modern history. I mean they defended against the armies of France, America, cambodia and China within a couple decades.

A lot of people on Lemmy are becoming reactionaries in response to .hexbear and .ml being so far left. Which unfortunately has attracted some bad actors from the far right who pretend to be moderate.

Actually, when a plane feels safe and trusts its pilots it will show you its belly in a display of vulnerability to communicate its feelings.