• mumblerfish@lemmy.world
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      The honesty of Nazis is a peculiar thing. In Sweden, the far-right party that the government collaborates with, who were started by literal ex-SS nazis and neo-nazis, have celebrated other ex-SS nazis, have worn swaztikas and so on. They have this “sociologist” guy whose argument for this party not being nazis anymore is basically “Look at Golden Dawn and other nazi organizations, they are open about them being nazis. Nazis are honest about being nazis. That is why the Sweden Democrats cannot be nazis, because if they were, they’d be open about it”.

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        Which is fucking stupid because the Nazis initially weren’t honest about being Nazis. There’s a reason they called it National Socialism and not National Killjews-ism.

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          And every dumb fuck magat clings to that National Socialist name, unable to read any more about how right wing Nazis are.

          They’re the Reich wing for a reason.

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            I mean they did support socialism but only for other Nazis. Pointing that out isn’t an attack on socialism, it was just part of the Nazi identity.

            If people want to demonize socialism or jump to the conclusion that socialism=Nazism, then feel free to call them an idiot for being an idiot.

            However, now more than ever, it is very important that people be aware of the fact that national socialism was a very important aspect of the Nazi party because we are seeing Trump et al., using the same playbook.

            National socialism means you can have access to health care, you can have housing, you can have a social safety net, “as long as you are one of us.”

            For example, the Trump administration literally wants to give “American families” money to allow one parent to stay home and take care of kids, instead of both parents working full time and paying for childcare. Sounds awesome. That would be a great thing for a country to offer all parents raising children. However, it’s not going to be offered to everyone. It will only be offered to traditional two parent households. That means gay parents, blended families, single parents etc., basically anyone who doesn’t fit their view of what an American family is supposed to look like, will not be eligible to receive this assistance.

            The social safety net offered by National Socialists acts as an incentive to in-group. It’s the promise of the kind of life you will receive if you join us. It’s what you could have had this whole time if not for the out-group, “them”. They are the reason America can’t be great, but if you join us and help to get rid of them, we can make it great again.

            Look at the incentive offered to ICE agents. The economy is in shambles, people are being laid off left and right. Previously protected government jobs are being destroyed. However, ICE is hiring. No degree, no experience necessary, huge sign on bonus, plus benefits. You get to make more than you ever dreamed of in any other line of work. You just have to be willing to help us round them up so we can make America great again.

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              And north Korea is a democracy as in Democratic People’s Republic of Korea sure Thing buddy. Just because someone says je is something doesnt mean He is that Thing :) they can LIE

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                  Literally no one here is talking about socialism being left wing but you. We all know it is, but the Nazis used the name to hide the fact they were actually far right wing. Any questions?

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                  They are, but just because someone says they are something or call themselves such doesn’t make that true

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                  Are you saying the US is left wing? Because they have a lot of socialist policies.

                  Are you saying the US army is left wing? Because they have a complete socialist structure.

                  The meaning of left and right wing were lost long ago.

                  Right: Supporters of the old order, the monarchy, and aristocracy.

                  Left: Supporters of the revolution, republicanism, and secularism, who wanted to change the existing system.

                  From the original definition the whole world is pretty much left unless they are ruled by a aristocracy or a monarch.

                  Of course you could also argue most Democracies are in name only and the wealthy still call all the shots. So that would mean the whole world is really right.

                  I think this highlights how useless these words have become even without the extreme polarization they have in places like the US.