Dudes argument was the hypothetical could and would never happen, but that’s the whole point of hypotheticals. I was going to use it to illustrate a point but hey, they copped out.
That, while the revolution is important and what we need to work towards, it’s also not happening right now. Right now, we need to do what we can. The US government still exists, the empire isn’t toppled yet, so while that system is still around, you should be doing what you can within and without the system to help people. So yeah, both sides are bad, but one is slightly less bad and the other has gone rabid, so maybe don’t hand over the reigns to the rabid worse people? Both are shit sandwiches but one is on fire and covered in glass, so if you have to make everyone eat some of the sandwich, do the regular shit sandwich.
See, you seem to think that electoralism runs parallel to revolution instead of counter to it. The entire purpose of the Democratic party is to kill exactly the kind of reform you seek. We’ve been here at this idiotic standtill for a hundred years, and now we are out of time to fuck around. From the excellent Caitlin Johnstone, who puts it better than I can:
I mean, how much longer is it going to take before people admit that the “change the party from within” strategy isn’t working? Do you want another twenty years? Another fifty? Do you need to spend the next century watching a handful of vaguely progressive imperialists getting elected to Congress and then getting primaried out by opponents with mountains of special interest funding before you admit that you’re not making any meaningful gains? Our planet could be lifeless before then.
The Bernie Sanders “revolution” was ten years ago. Large factions of the American left took up his call to take over the Democratic Party using primary elections throughout the nation, and ever since then it’s been a two-steps-forward, two-steps-back addition of zeros. The people never got President Bernie, and the few progressive gains made on Capitol Hill were either kicked out like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman or went full pro-establishment like John Fetterman. The few who stuck around have turned out to be perpetually disappointing empire managers like AOC, who know how to straddle the line between left-wing lip service and status quo swamp monster.
It’s time to admit the commies were right, kids. The factions on the so-called “far left” who’ve been rejecting electoral politics and calling for real revolution against a system designed to suppress leftward movement have been completely vindicated over the last decade. You cannot change the system using a political party that is designed to prevent change.
Ok, so until this glorious revolution happens, while it’s getting started, I’m still going to vote, and I’m going to vote against the Republicans until I’m presented with a better option. I’m going to do what I can inside and outside of the system, and I’m not going to throw away agency I’ve got for a hypothetical revolution.
Not voting doesn’t magically make the whole system fall apart, so yeah, it’s still going to run parallel as long as that’s true.
Dudes argument was the hypothetical could and would never happen, but that’s the whole point of hypotheticals. I was going to use it to illustrate a point but hey, they copped out.
What was the point gonna be?
That, while the revolution is important and what we need to work towards, it’s also not happening right now. Right now, we need to do what we can. The US government still exists, the empire isn’t toppled yet, so while that system is still around, you should be doing what you can within and without the system to help people. So yeah, both sides are bad, but one is slightly less bad and the other has gone rabid, so maybe don’t hand over the reigns to the rabid worse people? Both are shit sandwiches but one is on fire and covered in glass, so if you have to make everyone eat some of the sandwich, do the regular shit sandwich.
See, you seem to think that electoralism runs parallel to revolution instead of counter to it. The entire purpose of the Democratic party is to kill exactly the kind of reform you seek. We’ve been here at this idiotic standtill for a hundred years, and now we are out of time to fuck around. From the excellent Caitlin Johnstone, who puts it better than I can:
Ok, so until this glorious revolution happens, while it’s getting started, I’m still going to vote, and I’m going to vote against the Republicans until I’m presented with a better option. I’m going to do what I can inside and outside of the system, and I’m not going to throw away agency I’ve got for a hypothetical revolution.
Not voting doesn’t magically make the whole system fall apart, so yeah, it’s still going to run parallel as long as that’s true.