Blue and Red parties in the EU are called Right conservative and Faschist parties. There isn’t any relevant left party in the US
Wtf is bluemaga?
People who make the same excuses for democrats that maga types do for Trump. For example:
-Biden is actually not losing his mind, that’s Russian disinformation!
-Tara Reade is a Russian Plant who’s lying about being assaulted!
-Biden has actually made things a lot better, but the hostile (probably trump-loving) news media refuses to mention it!
I use Biden because he was a magnet to this kind of thing
A pejorative for die-hard liberals, from a leftist perspective.
it’s the liberal version of the conservative red maga
How is exactly is not voting going to improve things? Are you an accelerationist? Or perhaps you think revolution is mutually exclusive to voting?
The Democrats are the more competent managers of empire, so they are the accelerationist pick. The accelerationist position wants the most competent imperialists in power to accelerate capital concentration, and therefore speed up the contradictions of capital.
I don’t think this meme is even against voting, just against voting for fascists with a D next to their name over fascists with an R.
Liberalism is a joke.
Instead I do nothing except cry online about it to make me feel like do something, waiting for the echo that reaffirms me.
If you don’t do nothing, you have no justification not vote for the ‘lesser evil’.
No one needs to justify not voting.
That’s true. It would have been more accurate to say ‘they have no justification to feel morally superior for not voting’. Though technically the above isn’t asking that they justify. But yes voting itself is a free choice including not to vote, at least in most democratic systems.
‘they have no justification to feel morally superior for not voting’
You supported a genocide
I actually do have a justification: I refuse to sign my name to genocide, even if you fucks put a gun to my head
Oh, what a noble and utterly meaningless gesture. How many lifes did it save to not “sign your name”? What did it do for the world? Nothing but empty idealism to feel better of oneself. I understand the need for that in current times but lets not pretend it is more than it is.
Why do you losers always type like you learned to talk solely from watching anime?
Nothing makes me more certain I made the right decision than seeing the people who made the wrong decision be reduced to sepiroth posting in order to cope with being actual, support-a-second-holocaust nazis from now until they die. You fucked yourself dude, we all warned you.
Give a better alternative to vote for then.
These so called lefty memes telling people not to vote for the opposition to the Republicans feels like a psi op now. “Only REAL leftys let Republicans take office!”
Look at how angry people get about the rules of their collective fiction. The capitalists put on this big stage play about electoralism and america so you don’t notice that all that’s actually happening is they’re robbing you blind, working you like a dog, poisoning your water, raping children and putting you under 20 different kinds of surveillance. They will never allow you to vote these things away. They will never allow you to vote ther dominance away. The elections whose parameters have been so carefully fixed for you are not a path to progress, they are a busy box meant to keep you distracted until you die so that you don’t pour that energy into affecting real change.
Hey, at least I’m using every tool at my disposal. If you don’t want to vote, disempower yourself, that’s on you.
No one’s said voting is the only solution and the magic bullet that will fix things.
It’s quite the opposite: its your belief that voting is of primary importance, it’s your constant public ritual affirmation of the system that’s choking you, that disempowers you. A vote withheld is leverage. A vote given in exhange for nothing changes nothing, and only further normalizes fascist policy.
If the dems can run further and further to the right, while still counting on your vote, then what’s keeping them loyal to you? Its like enabling a “friend” who steals from you. By not enforcing consequences, you’ve taught them that there is no downside to treating you like dirt.
How, exactly, is not voting “leverage”? That’s the most trapeze ass brain gymnastics I’ve ever read. Refusing to vote literally doesn’t fix anything. If anything it makes whatever people who do vote have more influence, and with a bunch of conservative old fucks voting, I’m not willing to give them more say in things.
You BlueMaga lot think anyone who disagrees with you is a “psi op”. It’s just liberal qanon
I’ve long hated the Democrats.
It’s just pretty easy to see who benefits from memes telling people not to vote, and definitely not to vote for the people who aren’t Republicans.
Actually the reason people aren’t voting for dems lately is that they ARE republicans.
Yup, Qanon reasoning
Voting is less than the bare minimum required to enact positive change. Revolution is necessary, which requires organizing.
Yeah aight but in the meantime I’ll still vote for the not Republican which has a chance of winning
Are you going to organize? I’m not an accelerationist so I can’t recommend voting for the DNC.
“organize” is vague. I’ve been doing some activism locally.
But let’s say, for the sake of argument, there is a huge socialist revolution in America. One that somehow didn’t involve voting and the government at all, something completely outside of the system.
The thing with that sort of revolution is that it takes time. Not only to build, but to actually do something when it’s started. It would probably take more than a year, probably more than four years, to effectively take over the country.
So during this revolutionary period, let’s also say you’re a secret revolutionary so you can get into the ballot box. You’re on a secret mission and you can change the election results.
You need to do this in such a way that it’s not obvious that the election has been tampered with, so a third party candidate is right out. If they saw one was rejected to the presidentcy they would throw the whole election out the window and you’d also get caught, so it’s pointless.
So you’re left with generic Republican and generic Democrat. Generic Democrat is doing what generic Democrat does, a lot of lip service to the center and light left, still is in cahoots with big business, saying we can make peace with the revolutionaries, and passively for Israel. Generic Republican is doing what generic Republican is doing, overtly says they are going to attack minorities, overtly saying they are going to crack down on revolutionaries, obviously going to be catering to the interests of capital, and is extremely pro genocide.
So, secret agent, which one do you rig the election for, for the betterment of everyone and the revolution?
Go read a book. Seriously.
Revolution comes out of the barrel of a gun, not a ballot box, not because we seek violence but because capital will respond to nothing less.
I know. It’s like I was using this hypothetical to illustrate a point. Get some reading comprehension, I was leading up to a point.
This is the most 12 year old “what if” nonsense retort I’ve ever seen.
I was gonna go somewhere with it but I guess people can’t like, imagine something very well these days.
The Democrats wouldn’t be making peace with the revolutionaries, lmao. Your hypothetical is already absurd when you imagine that the revolution would risk secret assets to rig elections, but the very idea that outright revolution would be going on and elections would both continue and that the democrats somehow would be aiming for peace with revolutionaries is even more fantastical.
I reject the hypothetical because it will never happen.
Bro never heard of what hypothetical means, lmao
Ok, to scared to answer because you don’t like cognitive dissidence, no problem. I’ll talk with people who are willing to have a good faith discussion if you’re not even willing to try to understand people around you.
Not a great tactic for getting support for your cause but you do you
“What if my arms and legs turn into rubber and droop down and you have to help me carry my arms like a big firehose”
“Not only is that never gonna happen, it has fuck all to do with studying for your driving test”
“Psh, bro’s never heard of a hypothetical.”
I know what a hypothetical is, the purpose of a hypothetical is to propose a relevant and reasonable question. Your hypothetical only makes sense if we assume that the DNC would treat revolutionaries differently from how the GOP would, which is historically inaccurate. Accusing me of bad-faith for pointing out where your hypothetical falls apart is nonsense, it isn’t bad-faith to reject a useless hypothetical, I took your hypothetical seriously and responded as such.
What is better solution in your opinion?
Remember that margin in 2024 election was so thin that only 300 000 extra votes (in right states) would be enough for Trump to lose, only little over 2 million for Kamala to win on numbers.
Revolution.
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You can’t force a revolution, else it turns into a coup. Instead, you organize and build up the apparatus that can steer an eventual revolution in the correct direction, ie a political party. I work with a communist organization on outreach, and try to do what I can at an immediate level to help raise worker organization and thought.
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Nope! I’m not an accelerationist.
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Yep, just not for the DNC nor GOP.
The consitution of the united states was written by a few rich, white, slave owners. And was written so they would be able to keep there wealth.
Kalmala is a rich zionist with an insentive to maintain the status quoe. Even if she wanted to change things she still has to bow down to her rich doners and the press both of which dont want her to do anything that threatens them.
There is no way to fix a system designed to uphold the rich and segregate minorities.
The alternative that actually works is revolution.
How is the revolution going?
Better than electoralism.
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ah so true, we’d all be at BRUNCH and Kamala would have bombed Iran the proper way!
I’m reminded of the concept of nominative determinism looking at your nick, your instance of choice, and your takes.
We have a new record, ad hominem in 4th reply
I wish you fucking reddit losers would actually learn what an ad hominem is, rather than treating the Wikipedia page on logical fallacies like a spell book of magic incantations
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ah yes, and here’s another: your father was a hamster and your mother smelled of elderberries! now go away and take your shit takes with you, fuckface
For countries that have had a revolution? Mostly much better. Unfortunately their aren’t the material conditions for a revolution in my country yet. Although we will get there eventually.
Meanwhile voting has rarely gotten anyone anywhere.
politicians represent the rich, which are the true rulers. we vote between rich people factions.
unionism tends to be one concrete powerful way to pressure them back right in their pockets and is why the rich demonize it so much. any method that messes with the flow of their money works, that’s what theory is for.
but learn from the mistakes of past generations who did it and depose them already so this doesn’t have to be a recurring problem.
read theory and organize
Read “the american working class: friend or foe” by che guevara
Second Amendment
Nothing will change if people are told they will get their turn one day but they are not as important as winning. Why would you want a future without input from all comrades? How can the best solutions come forward if they are left out? Are privileged people smarter, more capable? Do they get to figure the big stuff out and then swoop in and save others?
If identity politics is a tool of capitalism to hinder cooperation. Some groups are treated worse than others and when they need additional support to participate they get accused of wanting special treatment. We fight each other instead of organizing together.
Lol, votes for 24 were hacked. In 20 too but they didn’t cheat hard enough.
Indistinguishable from Qanon
