• Patrikvo@lemmy.zip
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    29 days ago

    the 19th century people in Europe were in the same situation. They managed to protest, riot and eventually change things. They also had to work, had families, faced violent law enforcement. We’ve been enjoying the results of their bravery for over a century now. Americans only have excuses and believe bravery is shooting someone who can’t fight back.

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      America is not 19th Century Europe. It’s a whole fucking continent. Look what the “No Kings” protests accomplished. Absolutely nothing.

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        It accomplished absolutely nothing because you did absolutely nothing. Just one day of protesting and then going home after isn’t what it’s going to take. (Not that I’m saying it’s easy)

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          It’s not just not-easy. It’s not financially or logistically feasible for most of us. And then what would we hope to accomplish without resorting to armed violence? I’d rather lay down and die than take another person’s life, no matter what they did to earn it. You say I did absolutely nothing, but only because I didn’t start shooting people. What I did was resolve to not let these nazis change me and my morals, to continue fighting ideologically, making the world better through my actions, and refusing to accept any justification for taking up the enemy’s toxic weapons.

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            Look, I’m not blaming anyone for not doing more, but there are a few of steps between protesting for one day and starting an armed revolution.

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            I’d rather lay down and die than take another person’s life, no matter what they did to earn it.

            OH. Wait. 😅 okay, I really need to start reading posts completely before I respond.

            I thought you were just a fucking coward.

            I did not properly understand that you’re a fully complicit goddamn moron. Please. Keep doing whatever you’re doing. I cannot wait for you to just… congratulate yourself on your moral superiority all the way to the camps. Only one thing EVER stopped Nazis.

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            Oh, it’s not easy? You think those people in the 19th century were rich? How come you go from passively subjecting to shooting people in one go? There are plenty of ways to protest. Just look at all the protests that have happend in Europe. Plenty of that would work in the US too.

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              How come you go from passively subjecting

              There’s your mistake. It’s naysayers saying people like me aren’t doing anything. It’s they who have to explain what more they expect from me that doesn’t include violence.

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        No Kings were cute little parades scheduled in advance once every 4 months. You brought your little kids, had live music and barbecues.

        “Look at what our adorable milquetoast bare-minimum performative bullshit accomplished. Nothing.”

        It accomplished SOMETHING- it emboldened the fascists who now how little they have to fear from you and it helped white liberals congratulate themselves, satisfied that they sufficiently signaled that they’re the “good ones.”

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        You didn’t accomplish anything because it was a damn party, not a protest. You think the 19th century protests were just some people complaining? It took decades and involved a lot of state violence.

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      Project 2025. They learned from history. This does not go this well without prior atrocities to learn from. The current regime is not inept or uneducated. Frighteningly the opposite. I would LOVE to see how nineteenth century Europe would fair in these exact conditions at this time. Because I cannot tell where this all is going. History may rhyme but it rarely repeats the same beat.