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    Tankies aren’t Marxist or anarchists. Tankies are eastern imperialists and statists that like to call themselves Marxist.

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      “Tankie”, as used in online discourse, just means “person to my political left making an argument I can’t refute”.

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      okay then please tell that to everyone calling me a tankie plsss

      the reality is that ‘tankie’ is one of those terms that gets stretched until it’s just a pejorative for anyone to the left of the person using it.

      started as a specific reference to people who defended the soviet invasion of hungary in 1956, then it gets applied to anyone who doesn’t denounce every socialist state on demand, now it’s anyone who doesn’t want to vote for biparitsan war consensus

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        Sister, you’re the one that decided that OP was lumping the anarchists and Marxists in with the tankies! You appear to be trying to claim that OP is portraying everyone who says ‘both sides are the same’ as tankies. A is a subset of B; B is not equal to A. Just because some people don’t actually understand what ‘tankie’ means doesn’t mean everyone shares that view, in the same way that ‘liberal’ doesn’t actually mean ‘everyone who votes Democrat’.

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          You appear to be trying to claim that OP is portraying everyone who says ‘both sides are the same’ as tankies

          he is tho

          in the same way that ‘liberal’ doesn’t actually mean ‘everyone who votes Democrat’.

          yeah plenty of liberals are also republicans

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              Liberals when someone has any understanding of politics that’s deeper than what gets tought in high school civics or cable news:

              Okay, now I know you’re just trolling.

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              I have never encountered an ml user acting in good faith on here. They always come in packs and use alts to brigade communities and instances and hit every political thread hard trying to convince people not to vote dem. They’re almost exactly like how thedonald subreddit used to be a decade ago. Probably quite a few of those rejects ended up there the way ml works for maga.

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        Well, you come from an instance where the rules are literally pro-authoritarian, so yeah people are gonna assume you’re a tankie as well.

        What are your thoughts on North Korea?

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          it’s a heavily sanctioned garrison state that emerged from a brutal colonial occupation and a war that killed a third of the population.

          i dont particularly care for any states, but i have special contempt for the US. that makes it hard to share in the fearmongering about the US’s designated enemies on the other side of the planet from where i live.

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            Well, you didn’t describe them as brave freedom fighters trying to maintain true democracy in spite of western fascism, so that’s a good sign.

            In retrospect, I probably should have asked you about authoritarianism.

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              I probably should have asked you about authoritarianism.

              yes i oppose authoritarianism, but also all states are authoritarian. liberal authoritarianism is a far greater threat to my existence right now than any threat from the state enemies of the US

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                In my experience tankies say that authoritarianism is a made up concept to shit on the glorious USSR. So two points towards you not being a tankie.

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      “Tankies” just means people who support existing socialist states. Typically we are Marxist-Leninists, but anarchists and socdems also fit this sometimes and are targeted.

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      Tankies are the ideological opposite and intellectual equivalent of libertarians. Like if you’re in high school it’s ok to dabble but if you maintain those viewpoints into adulthood you probably weren’t top of your class and you definitely weren’t popular. Ideology for dumb assholes.