Oh, that’s absolutely true !!! lol
All these opinionated hot takes lately, but not a whole lot of input on what should be done then? Just not vote? General strike would probably be the best bet, but good luck trying to organize that. I’d love to hear some more hot takes just in time to convince people to abstain from even going to the polls. How many of these people touting these views are actually doing things like grassroots work, I wonder? Or is that what posting memes on the internet is supposed to be considered?.. What’s the goal here? To shit on the libs? Ok, let’s hear a coherent concept of what we can all do to fight the broken system, that’s actually plausible and not just some fantasy circle jerk.
Just not vote?
Begging for people to understand “voting isn’t enough” doesn’t mean “you shouldn’t vote” unless that person includes “and you shouldn’t participate in it”.
Edit:
What’s the goal here? To shit on the libs
Sounds fun, yeah. It’s a meme. You don’t have to like it but it’s weird as fuck to expect memes to come with practical instructions.
You shouldnt vote for genociders.
Agreed.
organize
There you go, you answered it yourself. Involve yourself with an actual political principled leftist party.
Is that charlie kirk
“Sure the game is rigged and the stack of bottles is glued together, but we just have to throw the ball really hard.”
Anti state violence meme
Hell yea
Posted by someone furiously jerking off to an imperialist invasion
The irony could not be more palpable
Honest question, why can you guys never go five seconds without proving the adage that all reactionary politics is sexual pathology
Ah yes, more “don’t bother voting” propaganda.
The message should be “you need to do more than just vote”
…We just have to vote…
The title of the post says voting isn’t enough.
Not voting for genocide does more good than any amount of volunteer work within the democratic party could ever do.
Do radlibs have a MLM scheme where they get commission for getting people to vote for their cult leaders?
(I mean that would explain why they’re so desparate that they even try to shill voting to their worst enemies, the anti-imperialists)
Personally I’m not against voting (although I’m against the “support the lesser evil” rhetoric). I just hate that libs constantly downplay political violence (whether it be direct violence against politicians or their supporters or destruction of property) as an available tool that must never be used unless absolutely necessary. That if you do use it, you must distance yourself from leftists, anti-capitalists, Democrats, and basically make it seem like you only did it cause you were bored. Not doing so would hurt us too much.
Ah yes, more “don’t bother voting” propaganda.
the heart of the issue seems to be the legitimacy that voting gives to a system – participate if you chose do, just do so w the awareness of the fact your participation was more beneficial to the status quo than it was to you.
and, yes, you do need to do more than just vote; but if you lack an understanding of why your increased participate is now necessary you’ll be treading water at best – like the democrats.
there have been people who’ve been in this situation before and wrote down what they did with the benefit hindsight included – if you look at their stuff you’ll find out what you need to do beyond voting.
The system gets legitimacy from the 150 million people who vote. A tiny minority of leftists refusing to participate does not delegitimize the system one iota. As a cis hetero white man, honestly my vote either way doesn’t affect me all that much, other than maybe being thrown in jail for leftist organizing. But it also doesn’t really affect the status quo either. I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.
And yes, obviously we need to build an alternative where no one suffers, but that takes time. Personally, I prefer to at least attempt to minimize the suffering of others during that time. Accelerationism is sociopathy.
I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.
The people being Palestinians, got it.
No, they’re suffering either way. My heart, and some of my money, goes out to them. But their suffering is not dependent on my vote. If it was, I would vote that way. But it isn’t.
yeah you don’t care about genocide. They are suffering because of people like you.
Fucking disgusting person
Ah yes, I have you tagged. You only care about the suffering when you can use it as a political cudgel. I remember you told me immigrant children suffering in America was justified because they have the privilege of living in the imperial core, and then justified it saying they would suffer either way.
Your opinion could not possibly hold less value, especially on the topic of the suffering of others. Your performative outrage is disgusting, at least I actually send aid to Palestine.
I remember you told me immigrant children suffering in America was justified because they have the privilege of living in the imperial core, and then justified it saying they would suffer either way.
I said it was not the responsibility for the people outside the imperial core to take care of your children. You would rather other children suffer to have yours not, instead of fixing the system that originates from your fucking country
Absolute spineless follower shit, you would 100% have done nothing to oppose slavery
I wouldn’t have done stupid counterproductive shit that just made things worse without any benefit.
I think the “follower shit” comment betrays your bitterness at not actually having any followers. You’re never going to get your revolution if 99.999% of the population is too “spineless” to caucus with. If you can’t find common ground with other leftists who are already sold on communism because they disagree with your strategy, how in the absolute fuck are you expecting to persuade the liberal working class?
counterproductive shit
Like voting for democrats
Pushing “don’t even bother trying” is just supporting the fascists.
Both parties are fascist
If you hear “voting for the polite fascists is not really better than voting for the loud ones” and take that as “don’t even bother trying”, then you really may as well not bother trying, bcs nothing you were trying was ever going to help, and most of it will just strengthen the fascists.
Please point to the part of the meme / title that encouraged voting for anyone let alone anything else. This is just disenpowerment and pushes the narrative that it’s hopeless to try anything at all under the guise of “liberals bad” (which I don’t necessarily disagree with, but this is training people to give up entirely)
The system is “self-legitimazing” regardless of how many people choose not to vote. Consider the current president didn’t even get the majority of votes.
Instead of buying into the liberal myth that voting creates legitimacy, look at voting as choosing which boss you are going to fight.
The owner has set up this system where he says you get to choose the boss. Even if you do, at best you get to choose who interprets the owners orders. Spending all your time fighting for one boss or the other or against specifically the boss is the wrong thing to do. The correct thing to do is to fight to get rid of the owner and this system, to create a new system that is truly democratic, that will listen to the workers.
So your all proposing we purge every other year. Thats your best idea
“Hey we need to build proletarian organizations to channel political energy in a non-dead end direction”
You:
Thats not what was said. Anymore strawmen
Incredible bit to talk about “strawmanning” when you wrote this
So your all proposing we purge every other year. Thats your best idea
Give your nose a honk and tell me what you hear
It’s a lot closer to what you said than this:
So your all proposing we purge every other year
is to what anyone said.
If you actually thought this the only time you would give this response is when voting was actually occurring.
voting is pointless and promoting the idea it does anything causes people to do less.
Cool. So you’re armed and ready, right?
“Oh if you correctly identify an issue with our current system then you must have organised a proletarian uprising that will be launched as soon as I ask it of you, otherwise your argument is moot.”
More like “You want to discourage people from voting and encourage rebellion because you’re a moronic accelerationist who has no clue what he’s actually suggesting.”
No, that doesn’t fit at all. I think you might have replied to the wrong comment? Or maybe you misread something?
Then explain your position.
Correctly identifying the issues with a system does not mean you have to have all solutions a disingenuous lazy asshole wants from you immediately.
Being able to deduce that voting for genociders does nothing good does not mean a person has to actively sit at the helm of a militant revolutionairy organisation.
Yes
Sure you are. Just waiting for someone else to start it, right?
Start what, exactly?
Don’t play dumb.
Tell me
No, the message should be to build a vanguard party that can channel violent sentiment in the direction of class struggle rather than voting liberal under the pretense of antifascism and damage control.
Capitalists must be so relieved that socialist and communist enclaves advocate disengaging from the electoral process, as if an afternoon or less spent voting, two if you vote in a primary, precludes one from otherwise protesting, organizing, or lifting a finger to resist.
Ah yes, because capitalists just hate it when leftists vote for capitalist parties as a matter of protest lmao
Go girl! Beat his liberal ass.
“Fascism? I’m totally fine with it” -conservatives
“Fascism? Well… As long as the other guy is 1% more fascist I’m totally fine with it” -liberals
