His advocacy for traditional masculinity, his toxic treatment of his own fanbase any time they say something he doesn’t like, etc. There are better mouthpieces for leftist ideology, who deserve a chance way way more than Hasan.
It’s not a lack of perfection I’m concerned about, but rather a presence of disqualifying behaviors. There’s a big difference between a flawed person, and a person whose flaws make them specifically unfit for the social role they’re seeking to occupy.
And I hope Hasan Piker doesn’t wind up betraying his espoused values the minute he obtains actual political power. Humanity is still too intent being dominated by Big People, and they’re gonna keep falling for it over and over until we grow beyond it. I don’t hate Velma, but she spouts some really boneheaded non-arguments instead of actually trying to figure out what the hell I’m saying, and that’s kinda disappointing sometimes.
That’s the risk of it all right? In order to win somebody has to organize but abusers are super good at infiltration organizing efforts and putting themselves in the center
I hope he doesn’t too. I kind of always thought he was an attention seeking punk, but this year he’s actually helping change some things and super cynical people I respect are giving him a chance.
That’s good though. I find her very intelligent and you very funny. It seems like in any other situation you guys would vibe most excellently.
What, like you can’t think of any to suggest? I’m not playing this game with you. Maybe we stop idolizing rockstar personalities and start being politically competent for ourselves. Crazy idea I know.
Sarah is likely a bot. They all follow this pattern:
Say something provocative.
Wait for responses and incite more confusion and anger (intensify the trolling)
When someone asks for evidence or sources, say something like “do your own research”, “google is easy to use”, “I’m not your teacher”, “I’m not playing games with you”
They have nothing to say but they keep talking out their ass. Anyone that learned how to write a persuasive essay in 6the grade can form a better argument. I guess education in blue states is better though so not all Americans are literate.
How dare I say something as provocative as people who promote traditional masculinity have no business speaking on behalf of the left. I must be a bot to have such a hot take!
Are you trolling? How can you say, “There are better mouthpieces” and then immediately be unable to name a single one??
I see two possibilities. One is that you would hold every leftist mouthpiece to an unreasonable standard that no one actually meets. The other is that you follow some other streamer or personality, but you know that if you name them then they’d be subject to critique. Most likely, the person you have in mind is a Zionist and you know they’d be called out as such (which would expose your real problem with Hasan) so you just evade the question instead.
Yes, what possibility could possibly exist beyond the false dichotomy you’ve provided.
Let’s just get rid of the games. I’m not getting into my personal choice because you’re not here saying “yeah Hasan is a piece of shit, but we need him.” You don’t agree that he needs to go to begin with. What confidence should I have that your judgement is sound, based on that? What kind of swine are you, demanding to see my pearl?
So again, no I will not play this game. You get blocked too. Learn how to have a good faith argument.
Lmao, saying “Like who?” in response to “There are better mouthpieces” is not “bad faith,” nor is it a “game.” It’s a basic fucking question.
Cry more, coward. I definitely hit the nail on the head that you’re an embarrassed Zionist. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re a MAGA troll account just trying to shit on anyone on the left.
Yes, what possibility could possibly exist beyond the false dichotomy you’ve provided.
I like how you say that sarcastically but you don’t actually answer it.
I wasn’t the one to claim there are better mouthpieces for leftist ideology that “deserve” a chance more than Hasan.
The only reason Piker is getting the attention he is right now is because he’s been consistent in his views and he’s been consistent about them for a long fucking time, way before Oct 7th. People are listening and that is scaring establishment Dems and Republicans alike. He’s earned the trust of his viewers and they are working for these candidates - they’re calling, they’re door knocking, they’re getting out there and getting the messaging out.
How many times do I have to say this? I do not care how much good he does or how consistent his views are. He’s a toxic shitbag worming his way into political power and y’all are out here going to bat for him. You put it up to me to suggest someone else and I could name at least one, but that’s missing the point. There shouldn’t have to be a someone else for you to reject Hasan. He should be rejected on his own (de)merits and not on the basis of his replaceability. If we can’t get shit done without making the same mistakes the bad guys keep making, we’re just going to wind up laying the foundation for the next empire in need of overthrowing.
You put it up to me to suggest someone else and I could name at least one, but that’s missing the point. There shouldn’t have to be a someone else for you to reject Hasan.
It’s your point that you made. How is it missing the point?
I’m not going to reject Hasan without some serious evidence of wrong-doing. Simply disliking how he speaks isn’t enough to convince me and it shouldn’t be enough to convince anyone else to not listen to one of the strongest voices on the left that is actually helping push people to vote and be active in their political scene.
He has a large trans fan base and is a staunch advocate for trans rights in spite of looking the part of a meathead. He’s pretty respectful about disagreements that aren’t disgusting in nature (racism, homophibia, etc). I think you probably just have a clipped caracature in your mind that likely doesn’t match well with reality.
I don’t care what other things he’s doing that might be good. Other people are also doing good things while not doing the bad things. The image of him I have in my mind was formed by just watching his videos and seeing the way he behaves. I’m tired of his fans coming around to talk the same boring meaningless shit and gaslight me every time I say anything bad about their golden boy. I’m going to just start blocking you all on sight.
Considering that the first of your two complaints was entirely incorrect, it sounds like your entire complaint is that he yells at Twitch chat a lot. You’re completely within your rights to dislike him for that, but it seems pretty petty compared to the anti-genocide activism that is the subject of this post.
His advocacy for traditional masculinity, his toxic treatment of his own fanbase any time they say something he doesn’t like, etc. There are better mouthpieces for leftist ideology, who deserve a chance way way more than Hasan.
Like who?
They won’t have an answer. Its the same dnc/aipac talking points. It’s either use lies or attack someone’s lack of perfection.
It’s not a lack of perfection I’m concerned about, but rather a presence of disqualifying behaviors. There’s a big difference between a flawed person, and a person whose flaws make them specifically unfit for the social role they’re seeking to occupy.
I don’t like that you and Velma fight. I hope you’re able to be friends.
And I hope Hasan Piker doesn’t wind up betraying his espoused values the minute he obtains actual political power. Humanity is still too intent being dominated by Big People, and they’re gonna keep falling for it over and over until we grow beyond it. I don’t hate Velma, but she spouts some really boneheaded non-arguments instead of actually trying to figure out what the hell I’m saying, and that’s kinda disappointing sometimes.
That’s the risk of it all right? In order to win somebody has to organize but abusers are super good at infiltration organizing efforts and putting themselves in the center
I hope he doesn’t too. I kind of always thought he was an attention seeking punk, but this year he’s actually helping change some things and super cynical people I respect are giving him a chance.
That’s good though. I find her very intelligent and you very funny. It seems like in any other situation you guys would vibe most excellently.
Lmao this is precisely the type of commentary I expected from you. Completely devoid of anything resembling material analysis.
Hasan becomes a socdem voooter and youre like “now I like the guy”, lmao.
Huehuehuehuehue! Ohhhhh I did so much worse
What, like you can’t think of any to suggest? I’m not playing this game with you. Maybe we stop idolizing rockstar personalities and start being politically competent for ourselves. Crazy idea I know.
Sarah is likely a bot. They all follow this pattern:
They have nothing to say but they keep talking out their ass. Anyone that learned how to write a persuasive essay in 6the grade can form a better argument. I guess education in blue states is better though so not all Americans are literate.
How dare I say something as provocative as people who promote traditional masculinity have no business speaking on behalf of the left. I must be a bot to have such a hot take!
Christ, get over yourself.
You first sweaty
Are you trolling? How can you say, “There are better mouthpieces” and then immediately be unable to name a single one??
I see two possibilities. One is that you would hold every leftist mouthpiece to an unreasonable standard that no one actually meets. The other is that you follow some other streamer or personality, but you know that if you name them then they’d be subject to critique. Most likely, the person you have in mind is a Zionist and you know they’d be called out as such (which would expose your real problem with Hasan) so you just evade the question instead.
What other possibility even is there?
Yes, what possibility could possibly exist beyond the false dichotomy you’ve provided.
Let’s just get rid of the games. I’m not getting into my personal choice because you’re not here saying “yeah Hasan is a piece of shit, but we need him.” You don’t agree that he needs to go to begin with. What confidence should I have that your judgement is sound, based on that? What kind of swine are you, demanding to see my pearl?
So again, no I will not play this game. You get blocked too. Learn how to have a good faith argument.
Lmao, saying “Like who?” in response to “There are better mouthpieces” is not “bad faith,” nor is it a “game.” It’s a basic fucking question.
Cry more, coward. I definitely hit the nail on the head that you’re an embarrassed Zionist. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re a MAGA troll account just trying to shit on anyone on the left.
I like how you say that sarcastically but you don’t actually answer it.
The only thing I’ve ever seen you say on this topic is complaints about how Hasan speaks to the chatter on his stream. That’s it.
If you can’t accurately identify your grievances with what Piker is saying, you’re being a mouthpiece for the fascists.
I wasn’t the one to claim there are better mouthpieces for leftist ideology that “deserve” a chance more than Hasan.
The only reason Piker is getting the attention he is right now is because he’s been consistent in his views and he’s been consistent about them for a long fucking time, way before Oct 7th. People are listening and that is scaring establishment Dems and Republicans alike. He’s earned the trust of his viewers and they are working for these candidates - they’re calling, they’re door knocking, they’re getting out there and getting the messaging out.
Who else is doing that in your opinion?
How many times do I have to say this? I do not care how much good he does or how consistent his views are. He’s a toxic shitbag worming his way into political power and y’all are out here going to bat for him. You put it up to me to suggest someone else and I could name at least one, but that’s missing the point. There shouldn’t have to be a someone else for you to reject Hasan. He should be rejected on his own (de)merits and not on the basis of his replaceability. If we can’t get shit done without making the same mistakes the bad guys keep making, we’re just going to wind up laying the foundation for the next empire in need of overthrowing.
And that, as they say, is that. Have a nice day.
It’s your point that you made. How is it missing the point?
I’m not going to reject Hasan without some serious evidence of wrong-doing. Simply disliking how he speaks isn’t enough to convince me and it shouldn’t be enough to convince anyone else to not listen to one of the strongest voices on the left that is actually helping push people to vote and be active in their political scene.
He has a large trans fan base and is a staunch advocate for trans rights in spite of looking the part of a meathead. He’s pretty respectful about disagreements that aren’t disgusting in nature (racism, homophibia, etc). I think you probably just have a clipped caracature in your mind that likely doesn’t match well with reality.
I don’t care what other things he’s doing that might be good. Other people are also doing good things while not doing the bad things. The image of him I have in my mind was formed by just watching his videos and seeing the way he behaves. I’m tired of his fans coming around to talk the same boring meaningless shit and gaslight me every time I say anything bad about their golden boy. I’m going to just start blocking you all on sight.
What same boring meaningless shit?
Genocide? Electing Dem Socialists? Pulling the Overton back to the left? Holding our reps accountable?
What same boring meaningless shit are we talking about here?
Considering that the first of your two complaints was entirely incorrect, it sounds like your entire complaint is that he yells at Twitch chat a lot. You’re completely within your rights to dislike him for that, but it seems pretty petty compared to the anti-genocide activism that is the subject of this post.
Do you prefer pro-genocide content creators like Contrapoints or Dead Domain if they are trans?