Considering Russia kind of just put the final nail in the coffin for your democracy, probably Russia
I guess it depends on how many nuclear weapons MS-13 has.
Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost - the “homegrown” criminal gang.
Seriously, had you heard about MS-13 before Trump?
Americans should be concerned about Trump and his goons first and foremost
Soooooooo…. You’re saying Russia then.
Yeah but taking out Putin won’t help as much now.
Yes
It was probably one of the few buttons america even had before trump.
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
Ms-13, Isis, Blm and that was fox news
E-xactly.
Glorifying gang culture was really popular in the 90’s-2000’s so I was definately slightly aware of ms-13 from someplace. Maybe law and order or some other show mentioned it. I was never really aware of DT until he ran for president.
Trump.
We count that as russia.
No you dont
We do
Trump and Tulsi gabbard have said Rusaian talking points nearly word for word in public settings. They are Russian assets the only question is if they know they are Russian assets
Trump, GOP, MAGA > Russia > China > MS-13
You forgot israel (AIPAC)
Threats to the US
A lapdog isn’t a threat except to reputation, even if they’re not on your side. Same reason North Korea isn’t on the list of threats.
Even if they have influence, it’s not exactly domestic policy, otherwise you’d have to add the IRA to the list also.
Israel is deporting American students for excersizing their free speech.
Israel has more influence than the first amendent.
Israel is definitely an existential threat to the United States. They are trying their best to get us involved in multiple wars.
They also have congress and the presidency bought.
We are basically funding the genocide they are committing. Meanwhile, Israel has universal health care and lots of other social safety nets that American citizens do not.
Russia, biggest mafia in the world, and also funds White supremecist/right wing groups all over the worlds.
And US presidents
And Brexit, people think. Russia is dangerous to the whole of the world.
yup, also funds fox(works closely with MURDOCH), which russia today version in the US.
I don’t see a MS-13 hand shoved firmly up Trump’s ass, so…
- international: Russia (and their puppet, Trump)
- domestic: we have enough racist, fascist domestic terrorists (ex. Proud Boys, Patriot Front, etc., etc.) that pose far more of a threat to the US than MS-13
The only other time I had ever heard of MS-13 was the psychopathic rantings of a former cop I worked with briefly. Hmmm… wonder why they aren’t a cop anymore?
ironically russia also fund those white supremecy groups to, they have been known to, sow division in the us, and other countries.
Well my retirement isn’t down because of ms-13
Gangs are bad. Thing is, you don’t fight gangs with military you fight them with relief. Gangs thrive on hurt people and the people who are suffering. If you relieve the hurt and suffering poverty causes you destroy the gangs ability to recruit.
Idk anything about ms 13 so I can’t try to assess them as a threat. But I have a hard time imagining a gang or terror group coming close to russia in terms of threat to Americans
I find it peculiar we never heard about ms-13 until a few months ago (at most).
One of my best friends came from el Salvador. They fled because of the gang violence, I’ve known her since we were about 12. She was the one who told me about MS13. But it wasn’t something that was mainstream media worthy because it was a big issue there.
It depends on the media you consume. This is no doubt a blind spot to most liberal media consumers, but conservative media has covered MS-13, sometimes extensively, especially in the months leading up to the 2024 POTUS election. We also heard about TdA, Tren de Aragua, in no small part because of Jose Ibarra, who raped & murdered Laken Riley.
Russia
Ms-13 hasn’t made it to the White House
Russia has
Sad but true
Trump
Then Russia. Thats where the ACTUAL voter interference comes from.
They should be concerned about the dictator problem they have at home.
Russia. MS-13 is nothing in comparison. Though it wouldn’t surprise me if Russia supports MS-13 as part of their hybrid warfare. That’s how they work.
Understand that Russia has largely been able to put US to its knees through hybrid methods that utilize and enhance the negative effects of american arrogance, neoliberal dogmatism and the war on drugs. Trump is the final stage before the empire comes down. It’s probably too late to turn the ship around by now. China + EU is already the facto world leaders and the US is doing everything to destroy itself and there is no real political and economical self-awareness among people with power.
The US should have started to decrease inequality, stop the war on drugs and enforced (sane) tariffs and migration policies 15 years ago. The EU has the same problems, but there isn’t the same level of inequality and political extremism and fundamentalism, which makes me believe that the EU will survive as a western democracy and relevant world player, but the US will not.
MS-13 or Russia
neither of those are real concerns tbh. Americans should be concerned about housing, feeding and providing medical care to everyone before worrying about external threats.
Russia is affecting those things in the us though. Maybe if the gop weren’t in russias pocket you’d be more on point.
Russia is affecting those things in the us though.
People being unhoused, going hungry and without healthcare is bipartisan consensus in the US and Russia has nothing to do with that.
and Russia has nothing to do with that.
Except the gop is in russias pocket
Not all of the countries problems can simply be attributed to ‘the enemy’ on the other side of the planet. The dysfunction I’m pointing out is home grown and enabled on both sides. The republicans are obviously worse, the democrats prevent anything better.
That completely ignores where the battle is being fought. Right now social media has a strangle hold on the discussion around politics in America. If misinformation/disinformation isn’t countered effectively the GOP wins out. That means there is no hope for the homeless, universal access to Healthcare, and every other legitimate function of goverment that the GOP are attacking.
I don’t recall attributing all the countries problems on Russia and the gop. Most of the dems are gop lite. There are some that do work towards housing and feeding. Like school lunch and breakfast programs.
This tells me you’ve never looked at the voting record. It’s OK, most dont.
Not for everything no. I’ve seen some good for sure, but imo not enough.
Fair
