• cogman@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Are people on the left saying this?

    The 2 things I’ve really not liked about biden is he

    1. Continued trump era boarder policies significantly harming refugees.

    2. Has doggedly supported israel in their current genocide campaign.

    Other wise his admin has ranged from pretty good to business as usual. 1000% better than trump, but also with some glaring problems.

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    If you want leftists to vote for dems, despite dems pissing on leftists at every possible chance and yelling at leftists to fall in line, I’ll show you how.

    1. Point out that voting will never, ever, ever move the democrat party to the left. You cannot vote the party harder to the left.

    2. Point out that Republicans are going to remain fascists.

    3. Point out that voting third party is a spoiler vote and will result in fascists winning.

    4. Point out that the actual way to move to the left is to unionize and organize at the grassroots level, to apply bottom-up pressure on the top.

    The answer is not to pretend that Biden is anything other than a Neoliberal Capitalist. Leftists will correctly point out that Biden is still a lukewarm neoliberal maintaining the status quo, and feel further alienated by being told they should love him anyways. That just encourages voter apathy.

      • DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 years ago

        I’ve seen some ‘if you don’t vote Biden you’re giving a vote to Trump’ Democrats touting a ‘secure border’ as being a positive for Biden. Trying to get 1moderates I guess?

        • Urist@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          2 years ago

          As someone not from the US, “securing the border” and “moderate” seems to be a little contradictory unless you want to imply that straight up fascism is the norm.

          • evranch@lemmy.ca
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            2 years ago

            How do secure borders and fascism have anything to do with each other? We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.

            If you don’t secure your border, what’s the point of even having one? You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.