• djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    18 days ago

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/5/as-trump-meets-netanyahu-protesters-chant-palestine-is-not-for-sale

    Literally today. Just because you don’t give a shit about Palestine and are ignoring their struggle, doesn’t suddenly make it stop. The same groups who were protesting the genocide when it was happening under Biden are still out there protesting.

    I can’t help but feel like the Dems end goal with this kinda bullshit is to try and manufacture this idea that leftist outrage over Gaza is entirely fabricated. We couldn’t really care about brown people, we must have made up a bunch of nasty lies to make Kamala Harris look bad! It’s really self-telling that they can’t imagine genocide would be a bridge too far.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
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      18 days ago

      you don’t give a shit about Palestine and are ignoring their struggle

      Beggaring the question is bad-faith.

      • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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        18 days ago

        Making posts asking why something that’s literally happening and being reported in the news isn’t happening is also bad faith so…

      • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        18 days ago

        If you seriously think the Dems haven’t been spending every day since they lost the election punching left, I’ve a bridge to sell you.

      • WrittenInRed [any]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        18 days ago

        Pretty much no one thought he’d be better, more like not worse in a meaningful way. Obviously saying the US is going to turn Gaza into a resort is worse than not saying that, but that distinction is pretty unimportant to everyone who would be killed or driven out under a democratic president anyway. The end goal has always been to fully settle Palestine, what exact form that takes or whether the US funds it with a smile or a frown doesn’t change that.

        • takeda@lemm.eeEnglish
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          18 days ago

          Pretty much everyone thought he would be much worse, and that’s what we’ve got.

          • WrittenInRed [any]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            18 days ago

            Worse in general or just in regard to Palestine? Obviously he’s so much worse in general, which is why I did vote for Harris. But specifically on the issue of Palestine no matter what the genocide wasn’t stopping, the Biden admin made it pretty clear there wasn’t actually a red line Israel could cross that would end the supply of weapons, considering every one they did make was blown past with no consequences. And Harris repeatedly signified that wouldn’t have changed.

            But it’s also not productive to try and assign blame to people who didn’t vote, or voted 3rd party, though. The problem isn’t that people didn’t want to vote for the conservative party instead of the fascist party, its that we only had those 2 options to pick from. Obviously one of them was less harmful overall, but that doesn’t make them meaningfully better for Palestine, or even a good/appealing choice. Our entire political system was built to represent slaveowners and rich white men, and that’s so deeply ingrained into every aspect of its design that there’s no way to move away from those roots from within the system. Even if Trump lost this time, what’s stopping him from running again? Or the next version of him? Or what about the continued corporate capture of the government and both parties? None of those can just be voted away, and placing responsibility for fixing things entirely on voting just wastes time that would be better spent organizing while they continue to fester and grow.

  • TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    18 days ago

    Wtf are you talking about? Free Palestine protesters are still actively organizing their communities and providing support where they can. The same groups are literally still staging actions and fighting for the freedom, liberatation, and survival of Palestinian people at home and abroad. Who do you think you’re clowning on with this meme? The people fighting against genocide didnt just give up because we have a new worse president.

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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      18 days ago

      “I started ignoring the pro-Palestinians because I decided I don’t care anymore. Where did all the pro-Palestinians go?” -OP

    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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      18 days ago

      With that kind of “support”, why have enemies? The Free Palestine movement is doing their opposition’s work far better than they could. Helping along the movement’s self-defeating strategy could be their best move: with a few more antagonistic governments, the Palestinian cause will be over in no time.

      • ScumSpotted@r.nfEnglish
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        17 days ago

        They are not supporting you, idiot. They support genocide victims.

        • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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          17 days ago

          They are not supporting you, idiot.

          That’s a relief.

          They support genocide victims.

          And look at the encouraging results! I don’t know what those poor souls did to deserve that “support”. They’re truly unfortunate.

    • Nougat@fedia.io
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      18 days ago

      The people “fighting against genocide” in exactly one place in the world and no others played a not insignificant role in why we have a new worse president in the first place.

      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        18 days ago

        Blame the people who support genocide, not those who oppose it. jfc libs.

        in exactly one place in the world and no others

        Where else are you and the USA supporting genocide?

        • Nougat@fedia.io
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          18 days ago

          When there are exactly two options before you, and one of them will be selected, and neither one is perfect, and you spend all your effort bitching about the least bad choice, you’re helping get the most bad choice selected.

          Good work.

          • TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            18 days ago

            Despite what you may have been led to believe, anti-genocide groups have never spent “all their effort” on electoral politics. You’re choosing to spend your time right now bitching about those fighting oppression rather than joining the fight.

            Good work.

            • auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              18 days ago

              Most Palestine spaces banned anyone who explained why Trump was objectively worse so yes, the ones who created those echo chambers and participated spreading those narratives to the wider population deserve to be called on it.

            • Nougat@fedia.io
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              18 days ago

              How many comments have you made about what China is doing to the Uighurs?

              • WrittenInRed [any]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                18 days ago

                In addition to the other replies, there’s also quite a large difference between the actions of a foreign government doing something our current government already considers human rights abuse and the actions of a foreign government defended by our own, carried out with weapons manufactured and supplied by us, and where any criticism or protest of said support is categorized by nearly every politician as either antisemitism or tacit support of republican extremism. Both are genocide, but trying to protest the actions of the Chinese government as a US citizen in the US is pretty pointless, it’s better to focus efforts where it has a more direct impact. You don’t need to evenly split your attention between every single issue in order to be allowed to talk about any of them.

              • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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                18 days ago

                I align with what Twiddle is saying and as for me, plenty, across multiple platforms. Genocide is bad whether you choose to pay attention or not. Thank you for asking!

              • Freefall@lemmy.world
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                17 days ago

                Don’t worry, their efforts here have not only made sure THAT genocide keeps going, and the Palestine one gets worse, but also the new Axis powers now have America in their pocket. So we will get to have even more genocides for them to protest from prison. Good job everyone!!

          • ScumSpotted@r.nfEnglish
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            17 days ago

            So they picked genocide instead of rebelling? What a bunch of pieces of shit lmao

      • spujb@lemmy.cafeEnglish
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        18 days ago

        America and the west is so racist even the rise of fascism is blamed on brown people

  • StinkySocialist@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    18 days ago

    I’m seeing ton of leftists post about it on the good parts of Lemmy like hexbear. Don’t know why libs don’t care about genocide 🤷

  • Allonzee@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    Neoliberal good cop/fascist bad cop was always a race to the bottom. This was inevitable so long as we fail to cut the capitalists down to size, and both parties are paid to defend their con game from us by stoking social issue division to stop the peasants from looking up at the oligarchs, our common enemies whether you’ve been brainwashed into worshipping them or not.

    I voted for Harris out of attempted harm reduction as I do like clockwork for the lesser evil, but voting Neoliberal only slowed the sinking, it was never going to make things better, just worse a little slower as the Neoliberals kept meeting their opposition in the new middle every cycle to keep up with the market’s demands for new, crueler ways to privately profit off human misery both parties are paid to defend and expand. A vote for continued quiet capitalist slaughter over loud, bragging capitalist slaughter. Not peace. Under Harris, healthcare rackets would still be murdering Americans legally, homeless Americans would still be dying in droves literally as a point to keep the laborers fearful as it would be cheaper to house them then deal with the fallout of them being homeless, etc.

    But by all means keep the focus of your ire on the people who had nothing to vote for, only against for the last half century. You’re basically attacking the silent cowards in 1930 Germany and not the Nazis.

    There are only 2 ways this ends, either the Mario’s brother method, or capitalist enforced climate change will collapse the capitalist’s con game and human civilization for us if humanity is too chickenshit to depose the economic metastasis, growth or and die capitalist cult and embrace economic equilibrium with environmental homeostasis. The parties are captured. No amount of voting will fix this. Reagan and Kemp saw to that when they captured their opposition. The last vote Americans had on the shape and priorities of our inhuman economy was in 1980, we only get a vote on how to address the social wedge symptoms of it, and only if addressing those symptoms won’t meaningfully effect quarterly earnings expectations.

    Whether it was Trump in 2020, this, or one of his mutant children in another 4 years, our tolerance and worship of greed was going to lead to this. Maga, Trump’s rise as more than a gameshow host con-man, and imperialism are symptoms of our avarice rot induced collapse, not the causes. The cause are the capital markets being allowed to infect our politics and override any societal values we ever had prior to other than metastasize at all human cost.

    • ScumSpotted@r.nfEnglish
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      17 days ago

      “FomEnT DissenT” bitch hearing my friend died in lebannon is all the payment I need. The dems the ones fomenting dissent with all those bombs they sent to a genocidal regimes.

  • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    Some of the American ones got their faces eaten by leopards:

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-arab-americans-michigan-gaza-plan-6014edae5196aa5bc2c1681452ec4cf8

    “Many people expressed that concern, that maybe it was a mistake to vote for President Trump,” Hamad added.

    Some Arab Americans who voted for Trump say they are concerned about his picks for key positions

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/some-arab-americans-who-voted-for-trump-say-they-are-concerned-about-his-picks-for-key-positions

  • dragontamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    18 days ago

    It was a TikTok disinformation campaign and they are embarrassed to learn how fake the whole movement was.