I have four natural born kids and all of them had their Vitamin K shots, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. I trust my doctors’ recommendations on what course of action is best, knowing that there are risks and benefits to any medical treatment, and we do these treatments because the benefits outweigh the risks.
With that said, the article doesn’t mention that the risk of the vitamin K shot is that the newborn’s bilirubin levels can be raised far enough that they have to be treated for it. One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.
But it is surely better than seeing them bleed to death.
One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.
Completely painless and done every single day in any NICU.
Isn’t this for Jaundice? Or just happens to be the same cure? Anyway my baby went through the blue light special for jaundice - the worst part was having to be in the hospital longer
High bilirubin levels are the indicator for jaundice, so yeah, same thing
The blue light turns breaks down bilirubin as livers not yet active in some newborns to do this. It’s an amazing therapy without drugs.
Why do doctors have to listen to parents? If a parent abuses a child the child gets taken away but if he abuses a baby somehow it’s ok?
To a degree, parents have the right to reject medical treatment for a child. There must be an immediate threat to the child’s life or health to ignore their refusal. A preventative vitamin shot is not such a case. Superseding the parents’ wishes here would require a court order.
Tell that to the bloodless babies
To be clear: I think the parents that made this decision are stupid and short sighted, and it sucks that children suffered as a result. I’m just pointing out that the doctors’ hands are legally tied.
These highlights were written by the reporters and editors who worked on this story.
This is how bad the wider world of journalism has got, that having a human write a synopsis is now seen as bragging rights.
yea because it was mostly clickbait(which buzzfeed pioneered) and now AI generated.
You know, if these parents believe they know better than medical professionals, why are they going to a medical facility to have their babies anyway? I feel it is just a waste of resources. Medical staff are stretched pretty thin already. Why waste time on people that will just ignore professional advice? Let them deal on their own, they obviously know better.
I used to feel this was a tragedy. Now I feel that those parents aren’t intelligent enough to have children. They deserve what they got. The child died but it was probably going to of something else stupid at some point anyway. A century ago, before we had all the modern medical procedures, a large percentage of children didn’t make it to adulthood. That is going to be the new norm for the parents who know better than “the elites”.
Be careful. “Stupid people shouldn’t procreate” sounds like a good idea until the state deems you too stupid to deserve life. That’s eugenics. And it never stops with the people you think deserve it.
Its not eugenics it’s just a reversion to natural pressures. Eugenics would imply that there is an artificial pressure causing the deaths.
The fact is most of us would likely not be here if not for modern medicine.
I’m not saying this child died due to eugenics. I’m saying that calling situations like this fine because the parents “deserve it” for being stupid is eugenicist thinking. It is justifying the child’s death because the parents are stupid and shouldn’t procreate anyway. Why not? Inferior genetics?
The child deserved to live in a world where even with stupid parents, they get adequate modern healthcare and can thrive. Instead they died, and that’s horrible, and saying “it’s fine because the parents were stupid” is horrible.
That means stupid people would have to run the State and make those rules.
Well, shit…
On the other hand, some supposedly intelligent people are so doubtful of the world that they become hesitant at bringing a child in.
“I’m gonna fuck all y’all!”
Oral vitamin K1 is almost as effective as injected K1, and most countries seem to offer it orally as an alternative to injected. Oral is pretty much just as effective as injected. 1, 2
The article doesn’t mention oral. Is it still not approved in the US? (It’s the same formulation as that injected).
It’s very cheap. In Australia it costs ~9AUD (~7USD) for a single dose vial with oral syringe without subsidies.
We personally don’t know the semantics as to why it’s not approved orally, however regardless of it being a shot or a drug shouldn’t matter if it’s gonna save the baby in the end.
injected likely gives an immediate effect and likely helps bypass people who cant absorb K1 naturally.
Negligent homicide
post-birth abortion.
Makes me feel like a piece of shit saying it, but those kids are probably better off dead rather than being raised in an antivaxxer household where they’re going to be indoctrinated with all that idiotic bullshit, forced to attend “parties” with diseased kids to intentionally catch their illnesses, probably have no chance at higher education thanks to shitty religious based homeschooling, take a bunch of quack medicine when they are ill ranging from useless to actively harmful, and possibly experience permanent damage from a preventable disease. Just seems like a lifetime of needless suffering.
You never know, I was raised evangelical and Ive managed to have a good life once I got out of there.
seen alot of those stories yt, ultra conservative people leaivng thier bubble and flourishing, but i wish they actually come out and say its evangelical,christanity instead of trying to obfuscate what thier saying.
The babies who are dying are almost exclusively from MAGA/MAHA families, so I don’t really see the problem. They are simply fulfilling their Darwinian Imperative, through their particular application of their Constitutional Free-Dumbs.
God Bless MAGAmerica.
…and nothing of value was lost
To the 2 dudes above me, wtf?
party of pro-life?
Charge the parents with first degree murder.
Negligent homicide. They didn’t plan to kill their kids, they did it accidentally by virtue of their ignorance and ego.
They deliberately denied a lifesaving medical procedure, that’s first fucking degree murder.
Mens rei is a thing. For murder you need to prove they intended the result, not just that they intended the action.
That’s why charges like negligent homicide exist.
They won’t stop doing it if they don’t suffer real consequences. Murder 1, life in prison.
…do you think a negligent homicide verdict doesn’t have consequences?
Okay, here, I looked up the specifics. In Illinois, where I live, negligent homicide is a Class 2 Felony, with a maximum of 14 or 28 years, depending on case details. Source.
1st Degree Murder is 60 years. Source.
I’m not a lawyer, but instead a layman. That said, I argue that based on the law as cited, the parents had no lawful justification, and that their actions carried a high likelihood of death. Obviously a lawyer making such an argument in court would by necessity have to back that up, especially if they trotted out religious nonsense as a “lawful justification,” but that’s what they get paid for.
A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death: (2) he or she knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another;
For the (3)/onward, was there an “and” used as the conjunction or an “or”?
Potentially yeah. In some states it can be charged as a misdemeanour with as little as probation or no jail time at all, especially for first offenders. Alabama treats criminally negligent homicide as a Class A misdemeanour with a maximum of one year imprisonment and/or $6,000 in fines in standard cases.
In many states it’s treated as a low to mid-level felony, and the penalty typically doesn’t exceed three years’ imprisonment. Some states go up to 10 years and Montana goes up to 20.
So while it can have consequences, it doesn’t necessarily have meaningful enough consequences depending on many factors.
that isnt murder lol, murder is with intention to kill. its negligence/abuse. negligent homicide is also a thing.
This is the fault of the US healthcare system and not necessarily the parents. I’ve had two kids in American hospitals and it was the single most exhausting, tortuous experience of my life each time. They don’t let you rest, so your decision making is impacted, then they have over 30 injections they want to give your newborn and God forbid you want to discuss any of them, you must be an anti-science monster if you dare to question a single one. If the practitioners can’t express plainly what is necessary and what is superfluous? Okay so the newborn baby needs a vitamin K injection, a vitamin their body will make on its own in a few days, to stop brain bleeds? And why is my newborn at risk of a brain bleed? Something to do with the constant stream of injections you’re giving them? Or maybe the cuts? Oh because of the jaundice? Well if you would allow parents to get their children any kind of natural light maybe that wouldn’t be an issue, but instead we’re being held hostage here until you are satisfied that you’ve solved every issue you create.
You can all sit behind your keyboards judging the sleep deprived new parents who are being misled and taken advantage of by the healthcare industry, and act like they don’t deserve to procreate, but like any other issue there is a lot more nuance to the problem than just “American dumb”
sigh I knew alekwithak’s comment would get misinterpreted and downvoted.
FFS, the negative reaction against the stream of “unreasonable” questions posed above is exactly the problem. A question is asked of a professional warrants a clear compassionate response, not prejudice and derision.
Yes, the single aspect of Vitamin K1 injections/oral for neonates is highly effective uncontroversial science based medicine, but one needs to remember the context: so much of what parents are pushed to do medically around pregnancy and childbirth in a hospital-based birth is controversial and questionable, and in many cases the norms pushed by hospitals have evidence against them yet are still pushed by that system (for example: GBS testing & prophylactic antibiotics, gestational diabetes testing, routine induction before 42-43 weeks, continuous electronic fetal monitoring, circumcision).
In any case, prophylactic vitamin K1 can be offered orally if the parent is averse to shots for the newborn, sidestepping much of the perceived issue. It’s unconsciable that this is not offered in some places (USA).
There are greater risks to using sunlight to treat newborn jaundice than to use the blue lights hospitals provide.
From that link:
Why Sunlight is Risky
While sunshine does contain blue light, relying on it to help jaundice in newborns comes with significant risks:
- Unpredictable Light Intensity: The amount of blue light in sunlight varies depending on the time of day, weather conditions, and location. This makes it difficult to ensure the baby receives a consistent and therapeutic dose.
- Sunburn Risk: Newborns have very sensitive skin that burns easily. Even brief exposure to direct sunlight can cause sunburn, increasing the risk of skin damage and potentially skin cancer later in life.
- Overheating and Dehydration: Sunlight can quickly overheat a baby, leading to dehydration and other serious complications.
- Difficulty Monitoring: It’s difficult to accurately monitor a baby’s bilirubin levels while using sunlight as treatment. Medical phototherapy allows healthcare professionals to closely monitor levels and adjust treatment as needed.
On the flip side, the potential side effects of the hospital blue light treatment include mild “skin rash, diarrhea, or dehydration,” which are usually temporary and resolve on their own after treatment. I’d rather a baby get a mild skin rash that goes away after being taken out of the light, than get sunburn that takes weeks to heal from and can increase the risk of cancer.
Having a new baby is stressful, I get it. But it takes nearly 9 months for the baby to arrive. Is that not enough time for new parents to learn about the medical treatments their baby will receive?
30 injections to newborns? Im calling bullshit on that.
My mas a nurse and had them skip the HPV when I was born vaccine because it was spanky new and had some issues at the time and its not like if be exposed hepatitis any time soon. Claimed religious reasons, which is funny because she knew the Dr, and he knew it was BS.
That being said 12 years later in middle school they she signed the sheet for me to get it no fuss.
She ain’t anti-science, just doesn’t trust systematic organizations not to test shit on poor people.
She was also adamant about getting covid shots early because also has an understanding of risk vs reward, but advised to avoid J&J for obv reasons.
Tragic, but probably for the best.
Less republicans
