• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 days ago

    It doesn’t sound like Hate, it sounds like Slavery.

    Hate would be activelly going out and trying to kill women, whilst punishing them for not letting their bodies be used by others as objects is, IMHO, much more a Slaver’s take on other human beings.

    A Slaver’s motivation would also be pretty in tune with Tradition for Republican members of the power elites in North Carolina.

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      Removing the remnants of a miscarriage is also coded as an abortion. So theres still plenty of hate in this bill as well.

      Hopefully they won’t pass a law requiring shotgun weddings in the case of pregnancy.

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        Abortions are actually very common due to miscarriages. I was personally affected by this and was present for a 9 month old abortion of a stillbirth. Even though my wife gave birth it was classified as an abortion because the baby had passed. We even have a abortion certificate.

        So, according to proposed law a gunman could enter the hospital and kill the doctors, nurses, my wife and me in order to stop an abortion of a dead baby.

        Makes perfect sense.

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        You’ve also got to remember that most of these people have never had a proper relationship with a woman in their lives, so they wouldn’t know about any of this.

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      It’s a different and more complicated kind of hate. I find it useful to split bigotry into bigotry to dominate and bigotry to exterminate. American racism towards black people is the former, while American racism towards indigenous people is the latter.

      Misogyny is almost always about domination, but it’s a unique kind because they can’t switch to extermination or even bluff it. They can’t hide women away to exist quietly in the background. They’re fully dependent on women to reproduce, and for most misogynistic men, for sexual pleasure. Many of them resent that they’re dependent on those they see as inferior for such things and that they can be leveraged.

      So yeah, this is hate, just a hate that they can deny because they don’t want to think that they hate women, just women’s independence.

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        Well, I suppose the broader point I’m making is that it’s Sociopathy/Psychopathy.

        The most harm done to people (I would even say, the most Evil) comes from people who couldn’t care less for how other people feel because they have no Empathy with other people’s suffering, and thus when they can will do whatever to others for their own personal upsides, even if those “upsides” are only satisfying their own personal petty psychological desires such as those you point out.

        Hate actually involves some element of thinking of and caring about the other person (though a negative “caring”, of the “I want to make them suffer”), a kind of Evil which is very rare in real life even if it’s the most common in the movie “evil guy” stereotype.

        As I’ve learned (from amongst other things working in the Finance Industry), the most common Evil is people knowingly doing things harmful to others to make money for themselves, get (more) power and influence or simply satisfy petty internal desires such as wanting to feel dominance over others (this later being, IMHO, the core of Moralism).

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          That’s fair, but we also don’t know that he doesn’t actively hate women. Just because you don’t want someone dead doesn’t mean you don’t have active hatred for them.

          Most evil is banal, but quite a few people move to hating groups that they initially were hurting out of self interested gain. I’ve seen plenty of hate and it’s often a means of bypassing empathy for some reason or another