GPUs are still overpriced too
Because the fuckers realised they can just keep them priced like this and people will still buy them
They literally don’t care if people buy them or not. Overwhelmingly profit is in the server and enterprise areas now.
Some people will still buy at those high prices and they are more than happy to stick with that small slice.
Exactly. Whatever they sell at those prices is good. They just don’t care about people who cannot shell out thousands for a gpu.
I know it’s fundamentally the same kind of calculation but I really hope someone can build some hardware that’s good at graphics but bad at crypto/ai/whatever.
We just need the AI bubble to burst
Another reason to look forward to the AI bubble popping.
Even assuming it does, it won’t be for a good while before it comes through to GPU prices.
Oh for sure. But seeing NVidia’s share prices collapse will be soothing in other ways.
The relationship between supply, demand, and price has been fundamentally damaged.
🌍 🧑🚀🔫
Always has been.
It always has been. It’s just worse now. The haves have always had all the power in a “free market” system.
Why doesn’t a 4090 cost $1,000,000?
It doesn’t need to. It’s already unaffordable.
Doesn’t “need” to? What does that even mean?
If the manufacturer had all the power in the relationship, the product would cost even more.
You don’t get to be worth 5 trillion dollars by giving out discounts…
Yeah sadly. Then sell out to big corpos doing AI and neglect the original audience for your products.
Quite the contrary! They effectively sell their cards at a ~20% discount to a bunch of AI companies by “investing” in the companies for a promise to use that money to buy their cards.
It’s as dumb as it sounds and textbook unsustainable economic bubble behavior, but NVidia don’t care because more sales = more stonks = more money to “invest” = more sales = more stonks = more yachts for Jensen. So what if it makes 1929 look like a walk in the park, it’s not their problem.
I saw a random AI video where guy said to use this model you need 39gb of vram. Like wtf are these ppl running at home?
39 GB is very small, DeepSeek R1 without quantization at full context size needs almost a full TB of RAM/VRAM.
The large models are absolutely massive and you will still find some crazy homelabber that does it at home.
All that RAM for the idiot AI to tell me what I can find on stackoverflow with one startpage search.
No wonder Nvidia is the world’s most valuable company.
I put (regular RAM) 64gb on my home pc, because that was the max my board would take. My old Mac Pro, 96gb because it was the most it could run at max speed, total could have been 128. Both only for 8gb gfx cards. Both because, I might want to open 400 tabs on a browser or something, maybe casual gaming, lol
They’re talking about VRAM in a GPU, not motherboard RAM.
Mac has unified RAM. It can use the system RAM as vRAM. The AI line of AMD processors can kind of due that too. Granted these aren’t as fast as dedicated GPUs, but they’re the most affordable way to get huge amounts of vRAM.
Are there any apple chips that use unified memory thats external? I’m like 99% sure chips with unified memory have it integrated on-die with no option for expansion.
I was talking about a classic Mac pro. Its 2x Xeon processors and a standard GPU
All of them?
No, it’s both - Offloading to system RAM is normal for regular users with consumer level hardware.
The meme differentiates between shortage of GPUs and shortage of memory, so I thought it was about mobo ram, but I get that the comment I replied to mentioned vram.
vram in the context of an igpu like an apple chip or strix halo is the same thing as system ram. its shared memory
its why strix halo and apple m4 chips are popular with users running local ai models, because those will cost you 2-4000$ for 128 gb ram, while the closest nvidia alternative is the RTX 6000 blackwell with 96gb vram costing 2-4x more.
Crypto bros and AI bros are the same people. They moved from one scam to another
true, but i still think AI had a worse impact.
They’re really finding ways to outdo themselves each time.
Crypto is still close to all time highs
Not all cryptos are scams, just like how not all AI are useless
True, I’m just saying they’re not the same bros - there’s more bros.
Those bros aren’t your bros
Need the crying bro meme
“C’mon bro, it’s not a scam unless it requires an NVIDIA chipset. Please bro, use NVIDIA bro”
Hopefully motivates game developers to optimize their softwHAHAHA oh gods I can’t say that with a straight face
RT has been a plague. The cope going from “4K native 144Hz only bro, potato consoles just can’t keep up” to “just use DLSS to bullshit as many pixels as possible” has been unreal.
It is rather expensive for high end hardware these days. Might get brotato, low requirements and local coop. Just got a couple of controllers so looking for good local coop games, especially good if they are cheap indie games.
I’m old enough to remember the hard drive shortages.
Capacitor plague staring for me. So many replaced power supplies.
Oh that was a nightmare. And you didn’t even know if the new ones you were getting were actually better.
If you’re on Windows, the new O&O ShutUp gives you the option to delete Copilot.
The one downvote is Microsoft
Could be.
I have a fan that auto-downvotes all my posts. I’m not sure who it is, but probably someone on my block list.
Lmao that’s the best name for him
#1 fan
More like -1 fan
Whoever it is, I appreciate them. :)
lemmy actually doesn’t just count the up votes but also by who, so if you dig through the api you should be able to find out
Meanwhile, I’m having a blast on retro and 2D indie games that play just fine on my secondhand $200 Thinkpad with integrated graphics.
Jokes on you, I’m upgrading my IBM x31. No one in their right mind wants DDR pc2100 ram.
I’m so thankful that I didn’t buy into the 3000 series hype and just bought a 2060 Super the moment one became available at MSRP after the 3000s launched. Everyone said it was a waste paying that price for less performance, but I had a card and they still didn’t 4 months later.
I’d say that the way around the shortages is to just not go for the latest and greatest new hardware, but that’s not really helpful for GPUs anymore anyway. Even the desirable last gen cards are still going for scalper prices.
The 3060 is a solid card for the price.
Yeah the 12gb is nice for video editing
The 3090 is currently the best price/performance for AI.
If I build a rig with a 3090 running Debian will stuff like ollama be able to take advantage of it? Thinking up building a new system for my containers and getting into that.
Yes! I do this with a 3060 and Debian.
Yes. I’m not using Debian, but I am doing basically that.
Probably. On arch, you install ollama and ollama-cuda and you’re good to go.
3000 series is fantastic, however it was during Covid so prices were way out of whack. I somehow lucked out and got a 3080 for msrp and it is still doing great in 1440 max settings for most games at +144fps . I did have to go to mid settings on BF6 to keep it at 144mhz, but still haven’t needed to turn frame gen on.
And there was the HDD shortage, the CPU shortage, and I’m sure we’ll see some variant repeat of any of them again.
Water and electricity. Those are gonna be the fun ones.
That would be a dystopia ngl.
whats next, motherboard shortage?
Floppy Disk Drive shortage
Is there a place I can sell my old ram sticks that are perfectly fine? I just upgraded.
Ebay?
I’m in the same boat and considering this.
eBay…
Someone is too young or forgot the 2016 DRAM price fixing by Samsung, Hynix, and Micron, causing prices to skyrocket. Prices doubled or even tripled until 2018.
I paid a new 4TB seagate 99€ in 2022, now it’s 139€.
Prices used to go down 😐
God, the “PC master race” hype is just pathetic now. Spend your life savings so you can play a 10 year old console port that runs like dogshit.
At least you have Steam sales so you can buy games that you won’t play.
Dude, scroll up and read what the meme complains about. How are you this tone deaf?
Careful. You’ll upset them in the middle of their lies about how cheap a PC is to build.
I think these days the PC value argument is a lot more about longevity and versatility than price.
Like in my case, I want to have an old fashioned LAN gaming setup in my house. I’ve already managed to find four PCs stored away, and they are all going to work great. Three are already set up and have linux installed and everything. So they cost a decent amount in their day, but now they’re kind of just free extras.
I’ve been with my wife for around 10 years now. When we started dating she had a PC that wasn’t exactly top of the line, and it was already a couple years old, but was still pretty beefy for its time. She did a couple upgrades over the years, more RAM, SSD, etc. but most of the components were the same ones she originally bought probably around 2013-ish
About a year ago she decided it was time for a major upgrade and built a whole new computer.
I took all of her old components and stuck them in a new case. I of course had to buy a hard drive, power supply, some fans, etc. and it wasn’t maxing out the graphics on the latest AAA games like her new rig can, but it still managed to run pretty much everything I threw at it.
After a couple months I did scrounge up a newer graphics card from a friend doing some upgrades of his own, which was a nice upgrade, but not totally necessary.
I am now running into an issue with some newer games not liking the old processor even though it technically has the required specs (and it’s not windows 11 compatible) so I’m likely going to be doing some major overhauls of my own soon, and I think I’ll probably recycle these components into a home server or something, so I wouldn’t really be surprised if this PC of theseus remains in service in some capacity for a full 20+ years.
Ok bear with me here but we’re on Lemmy so I think I get in trouble if I don’t ask this…
Have ya tried Linux on the old machines? If not, you can make a bootable USB of Linux Mint and play around with it without changing anything on your system. The UI is laid out like Windows.
Nothing makes an old machine sing like installing Linux!
And as luck would have it, I actually was just talking to another friend about this and he turned up a gnome extension that looks like it does exactly what I need, so it may become a Linux machine yet.
I do still want to do some upgrades and I kind of got to like the server idea though so perhaps I’ll be building a new Linux PC and also recycling the old parts into a server
🤘🏻
Like a lot of people I have one or two things keeping me tied to windows for now
The main one for me is a little goofy, but my computer is hooked up to my TV and it’s synced up to my Philips hue lights.
My other consoles and such work fine through the hue sync box but for some reason the PC does not, so I have to rely on the hue desktop app to get the PC synced to the lights
And of course they don’t support Linux, and from what I’ve seen online WINE and the other usual workarounds don’t do the trick either
There’s a couple of people out there who have cobbled together alternatives, but none of them are quite where I want them to be yet.
You can scratch out PC and replace it with (console of choice) and still have paid less even back then.
And tariffs!
