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Whelp, at least I can finally cancel my prime subscription.
I agree with most others in here, they ran roughshod over major character traits and plot points for no discernable reason. Wasted an episode of the first season on some random Warder.
That said, the biggest crime was the 8 or 9 out of 10 emotion and yelling in basically every scene. Wheel of Time can definitely drag on, so maybe they were trying to spice things up? Idk, it was weird.
At least this Rand fucks, though.
If you want the loyal fans to watch it, stop fucking it up! Keep the source material, and let your cooky ass writers write their own shit.
Perrin having and killing his wife?
A total cut of Gaul?
Aviendha and Elayne for… some reason?
Perrin straight up actually killing geofram bornehald? Which is a WHOLE plot point by the way.
Moraine killing the shit out of seanchan at falme definitely breaking the 3 oaths?
It goes on and on. So much questionable decision making.
It’s like the Witcher. People aren’t going to respect your OC by fucking up a recognizable name, they will just find you incompetent
Glad they finally put a nail on that one. You got to stop funding projects made by people who don’t even like the source material.
Bond and Dexter improved by straying from the source material (up to a point). Bourne trilogy is better for ignoring the disguise element.
But in general you are correct.
I think to know where to deviate from source requires a thorough understanding of and appreciation for it first.
I hated it from the first episode.
They had amazing material to work with, all they had to do was adapt it to TV.
A group of amateurs made an awesome Wheel Of Time episode with a budget of about $5 and an afternoon of shooting. Amazon should have just given them the money to do it.
Uh Link please!
Give this a whirl:
Wow, that’s good! Actually better than the Amazon one
Meh
They screwed it up completely within the first 5 minutes of the first episode so not a big deal for anyone who’s actually read the books.
Even people who hadn’t read the books, realized how rushed things were in some cases, and then dragged out filler in others.
It was obvious they had the same issue as several other recent adaptations: The showrunner wants to make original content, and think it’s so good that people wont care that it differs from the source or even changes the story and characters.
This is why you wait to see if the series is going to get an ending before starting it.
Everybody waits to see if it gets an ending…nobody watches…cancelled after first series.
I could never get past Loial not having expressive ears. Like 90% of Ogier emotion is described by the positioning or movement of their long ass ears
Or the fact people from Two Rivers are often identified by their physical look and way they speak, but the TV series starts out with every person from their tiny isolated village being ethnically diverse.
Great job!!
Now do it for Rings of Power.
I’m surprised it lasted 3 seasons to be honest. I hated it.
I couldn’t make it past the first episode.
I felt that way about the Fallout show. The acting (and the CGI) was so freaking bad
Yeah, I have friends who love that show and I could barely make it to 4 episodes. They literally killed off the best character/actor in the second or third episode.
I made it through the first season, but just barely, and I didn’t go back.
They took forever to build out the characters and the story. Good production for a series, but had the worst pacing. Sadly, their build up now leaves you hanging. I am not sure why Amazon is cancelling their series, without proper finales. I am guessing this has to do with overspending on Bond.
Similar to Netflix’s approach, they most likely found that viewership drops sharply after the first 2 or 3 seasons, so more money to be made elsewhere.
But similar to Netflix, they’ll find that people aren’t willing to give things a chance and will associate all your original productions with crap, if you keep doing it.
Also true, but that’s not what shareholders and executives care about. They just want the next quarterly profits to go up to get their payouts
The fate of most shows nowadays. Greedy companies don’t give a shit about telling a good story or giving it a proper ending.
All they care about is number go up.
Stop giving them your money and attention.
I’d like to see creators who own their rights put in contracts that the story must be told in full, and that whatever pacing is decided on (1 season per book for example) needs to be maintained. I know most studios would walk away, but I’d love for someone to have the balls to tell them that
You want to make my 10 book series into a TV show? Put your money where your mouth is and pony up 10 seasons worth
I just want to see creatives actually owning their creations in the future and not being slowly choked out by corporations and their greed.
“It you don’t sign over everything, we’ll just use Ai to rip you off and get away with it.”
Honestly I don’t see actors in the future owning their own likeness. “Want to be an actor? Well we’ll own your face and voice forever”
They’ll continue to own their likeness’. Studios just won’t hire them.
Fuck’s sake, it had just started to properly settle down and get good
So will Prime use this freed up budget to fund some decent programming, or will they just throw it at another big budget Bezos money pit project like the Lord of The Rings tv show and that awful Citadel tv universe?
My prediction: This is being sacrificed to pay for a Bond 007 tentpole show that won’t be any good.
Meanwhile Amazon owns the rights to Stargate and does nothing with it.
I have a sneaking suspicion amazon picked up wheel of time only because they wanted to fill a high fantasy slot in the portfolio. Now they have rings of power with built in IP recognition, typical executive brain will put focus there instead.
Murderbot
It’s not … A great show?
But it’s fucking cheap (small cast, limited sets so far), and it’s trying to be charming.
It’s the streaming equivalent of comfort food.
We need more content like this to keep streams full, then we have a few prestige shows like andor or whatever.
What we have now is crap writing burning prestige money (twot/LOTR-trop) and leaving us with unwatchable crap.
It could be better. I read the books and they’re rushing through the story at 90 miles an hour. And they are leaning into everything like it’s all quirky comedy which does a disservice to the source material. The characters are supposed to be characters, not caricatures. You should to care about what happens to these people but in the series they so far feel disposable. They’re also overdoing the voiceovers and on screen displays to the point of annoyance. The “rise and fall of sanctuary moon” inserts are a hoot though.
Yeah, the pace is stupid, the problem is it’s 22 minute shows, and I think they’re trying to finish in less than 10 episodes.
For 22m shows they should do 18-20 er season, but the format generally sucks for anything except comedy.
But I was optimistic because the short length also means it doesn’t have to be burdened by all the overwhelming pretense of the heavier stuff, it can be chill about it.
That’s an apple show what does any of this have to do with anything
I’m making a point that we need more casual, cheap stuff like this to fill in viewing hours, with a few prestige shows for the high end.
Twot was trying to be prestige and ended up a complete disaster, while starving other good shows of that cash.
The boys is also fairly cheap in comparison (getting more expensive obviously as time goes on, but nowhere near twot/trop).
Tech companies had so much money they started throwing money at shit, that was the problem.
Naw, it will be another Meliana Trump documentary
As someone who never read the books, I found the TV show cluttered. Part of that was watching it non-binge style I’m sure.
Should I give this another try? Even though there won’t be an “ending…”
The show has a completely different tone and pacing from the books. The books are much closer to LotR (particularly the first one which is basically just alt. Fellowship) and spend a lot of time with the characters traveling and getting to know each other and the lore of the world. There’s plenty of bickering, but the characters all like each other and get along decently. The show opted to cut most of the parts where you learn what’s going on to instead focus on manufactured drama.
They also just changed things in really confusing ways like making Mat’s parents deadbeats, among other things. Some of the plot restructuring makes sense given how much stuff there is to adapt. I don’t think anyone reasonable can expect any book adaptation to keep 100% faithful unless it’s getting crazy funding as a TV series. That said they just really took a knife to things.
Idk, as someone who loves the books despite their issues I wasn’t particularly enamoured with the show. Some people liked it though.
If the world seemed interesting I’d recommend the audiobooks. Love Michael Kramer and Kate Reading.
Making Mat’s parents deadbeats was just crazy to me.
THAT’S your line?
Not Perrin having and killing his wife? Not a total cut of Gaul? Not Aviendha and Elayne for… some reason? Not Perrin straight up actually killing geofram bornehald? Not moraine killing the shit out of seanchan at falme definitely breaking the 3 oaths?
Etc etc.
It was the wild West.
Heh. I forgot about Perrin killing his wife. Also fucking bonkers. I only watched season one, which was a train wreck.
Watch the season 2 finale, just the finale. you’ll love it.
Oh god. Okay. I’ll do it. For the lolz
I only watched the first season (big fan of the books as a kid). Imo, it is not worth your time. They took out what makes WoT special and produced some extremely generic, bland fantasy.
Not nearly enough tugging of braids :d
As someone who read the books, the highlight of the show is S3E4 where they (more or less) faithfully recreated one of the best sequences in fantasy on screen, and it was incredible.
Everything around it was soap opera romantasy. 90% of the characters had any meaningful personalities sanded off, entire arcs from the plot were tossed out the window in favor of glorified fan fiction, and as you noted the final product was just a mess in terms of trying to follow along even for people who didn’t care about faithfulness of the adaptation. I won’t mourn it being gone; maybe we’ll get a decent animated adaptation in 10 years.
Yeah I started it a couple times but kept losing track of the goal/stakes in the story. Really wanted to like it.
