Everything is just a grift now so not surprising
Capitalism reduces everything to transactional relationships
I’m gonna pay you $100 to fuck off.
Read that in Ricky’s voice
Smokes let’s go.
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Sold!
Eh, I’m gonna play the devil’s advocate here but when I thought about it, I’d say it’s more like a human nature or common sense. I can imagine a person who feels excited by posting spicy pictures online in 2011 and then realizing “You mean people are willing to pay for this shit?”
willing to pay for this
Capitalism. You shouldn’t strive to profit off doing things you enjoy. The profit motive IS the problem.
Or maybe you shouldnt be telling people how to live their lives? Even fans of communism have dictatorial tendencies.
Advice isn’t the force of law. Don’t be silly. There’s plenty of reasons to hate communism that don’t require you to be silly.
Even fans of communism have dictatorial tendencies.
These phonies just think if they cosplay commie they can become the dear daddy of these stupid peasants and lead into a revolution…
A certain type of person
You shouldn’t strive to profit off doing things you enjoy
Sounds like a win-win to me
Only if you’re lucky. I loved programming. Used to do it all the time. Got a job doing it, and it’s just exhausting now. So much gets caught up in the process: money to survive, meeting other people’s deadlines and goals, etc. It kills the enjoyment.
Would you rather have a hobby, or food and shelter? Having a love of programming made you good at programming. But programming is a means to an end. It’s enjoyable, but if you don’t produce anything, you’re just masturbating. Once you are good at it, you don’t have to enjoy anymore.
Of course, you’d rather have food or shelter. And why would you not have food and shelter? Oh, because society deems that if you don’t work, you don’t live.
And don’t knock masturbating. It’s a lot of fun. So is programming with no real goal. Sometimes you enjoy the journey, not the destination.
I’m just not ready to start charging milfs for banging them…
This is more a side effect of having to monitize your hobbies to afford to live
Call me old fashioned but I really miss being a hoe (respectfully) for the sake of it. Then again I hate transactional relationships so OF and the like is a total mood killer.
On the other hand sex work is work so by all means get what you need to get by / thrive.
Word, get that bag… but I ain’t about it
Yeah, I’m echoing the sentiment.
I ain’t mad at anyone making money as best they can in the system we’re stuck in.
But it shouldn’t be everywhere. Some communities/subs are about people just sharing that they feel like, no ulterior motives at all. If that’s not what you’re doing, you shouldn’t be there
it’s supply/demand. there’s much more cameras and people online than 10-20 years ago, so the supply is plenty. people paying for this content is much more mysterious to me. why would I ever do that?!
Paying, in the exact context of this topic, is to feign a legitimate connection with the performer. Whether you know it’s fake or not, direct interaction feels better. General examples of meaningless connections could be a celebrity answering your AMA question, could be a food company acknowledging your complaint, could be a car company noting your taste, could be a vibrator in a OF performer’s pussy matching the cadence of your tokens, could be a stripper listening to you cry in the vip booth. We are humans and we have silly feelings getting in the way of logic.
For the broader porn topic, paying is something you might do for appreciation of the content from particular sources or to maximize access to content not readily available by torrent. Or for addiction to novelty. I’ve thought about it because the hub/tube sites have shitty search algorithms that don’t do 100% keyword inclusion while pushing trending uploads that are either 90 second OF/cam teasers or overly abusive scenes.
yup, that’s my point. we judge the suppliers but the supply side’s motivations are much more straightforward than that of those on the demand side.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
However, to respond to it as a separate subject, there’s plenty of reasons to pay for content.
The primary one is ethics. When you’re paying for content via an intermediary site, you can improve two things. First, that the person is of age legally. There’s ways around it, but the people that would typically bypass that would also be less likely to be using an intermediary site like onlyfans, they’ll be elsewhere.
Second, consent. Again, while it isn’t a perfect guarantee, and there are cases of models being pressured or even forced into doing it, it isn’t the majority.
So, by paying up, you have a much better chance of enjoying your content without concern about the two biggest horrors of pornography.
Then, you run into quality and specificity.
While still not a guarantee, onlyfans models are well aware that they have to produce material that is clear and easy to enjoy, so there’s less selfies in dirty mirrors, or pics taken on fifteen year old crappy cameras. Onlyfans is also fairly well known for models that can and will do customized content since they’re getting paid.
So, by paying, you have the highest chance of getting materials that are going to not only be what you want, but can be enjoyed for a very long time because technology is good enough that even mid tier phones produce images that can be zoomed in to one’s heart’s content.
You can’t neglect the pride factor either. Some folks have this idea that paying for it means they’re better than people that don’t. It’s a dumb idea, but the are people that think that way
I can keep going, but I doubt that’s useful for you.
The point of all that is to break down the mystery of it for you, not to convince you to pay for anything. I don’t know what your motivations are when looking at erotic content; nor what your beliefs are regarding it other than being dubious about paying for it.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying free content at all. To the contrary, I think it’s a wonderful thing that there are places where people that enjoy showing their bodies can do so without any of the hassles and encumbrances that come with doing it for money. I think it’s a beautiful thing that there’s people willing to share their bodies visually, period. I dislike porn, but the beauty and variety of the human form is amazing, and when it’s celebrated, it makes me happy
And you can definitely use forums that do “gone wild” content in the way that the original post is about, where it’s just users sharing their bodies with no problem at all. That’s what they’re there for. But it does have drawbacks.
And that’s an outstanding explanation to why the OF supply infiltrated GW sites (and generally good points on the consent aspect). The net non-pro content remains more abundant than it was a decade or two ago, so it’s not like there was a net loss, it’s just the commercialization “tainted” some people’s “fun.”
Also, the more people pay for it the more infiltration of content promotion you’ll see into communities that are supposed to revolve around pure exhibitionism and “altruism”.
90% are sex workers but you’re right. Mods should ban any account that has external links meant to sell something. Gonewild was about having fun and now it went to shit like reddit.
Edit: Same thing for amateur communities. I report them as spam, it’s annoying.
There is amateur content on lemmy? :-)
Some of it is a little too much, browsing all. I think I once saw an account with a dude and a very ugly sex doll.
Go into settings turn on NSFW content…
I don’t how “amatuer” it really is but is too much of distraction when I all I want to do is browse Linux subs
I’ve been a member on a website that’s quite well known in my country for over 15 years. It’s like adult Facebook where people post nudes and it’s all free.
Recently however people have more and more started using it for advertising their OF and what I find funny/interesting is how I can tell most of these profiles simply by looking at their pictures as they always have this certain “onlyfans look” to them.
I’ve never used OF myself but the feeling I get from these profiles is that it’s way too obvious that they’re doing it for the money. There’s a completely different vibe to someone’s profile who just wants to show off because it’s exciting to them.
If there’s a pink stick coming out, its 100% onlyfans.
Explain more, what is this pink stick? I’m out of the loop.
It’s a reference to a specific Internet connected adult toy called a lush3. Cam Girls and only fans people connect them to their chats so the fans can control how much it vibrates. Since it’s Wi-Fi connected it has a tail that sticks out to improve the connection.
To add to that, most of the time cam girls don’t even turn the thing on, and do an incredibly over exaggerated reaction to the sound the chat makes when someone gives a tip, and videos of this get posted unironically to any nsfw forum/board/sub/community, as if it is high quality enjoyable content.
Completely agree! The entire adult content platform has become nothing more than a monetization machine for platforms like OnlyFans. GoneWild was once about people expressing themselves and sharing their art without the pressure of making a quick buck. Now it’s all about selling subscriptions and getting clicks. The whole industry has been ruined by commercial interests prioritizing profit over passion and community. Same thing with Patreon, where creators are expected to churn out content just to keep their fans engaged rather than doing what they actually love. And don’t even get me started on the algorithm-driven news feeds that suck the soul out of social media. Commercialization has absolutely destroyed the integrity and creativity of online platforms. We’re losing the very things that made them worth using in the first place.
This is completely incoherent. An “industry” does not have the ability to ruin people’s free expression.
Anyone who wants to create something for other people, without asking for anything in return, is still free to do so. And I assume they are (at least, they are in niche communities - I don’t know of a gonewild equivalent but I know of people who make games for fun and they’re not hard to find, either).
It’s sad that so many people have taken a cheap payout in the most crass possible way, but all that means is that you need to look harder for the content you want.
Fish gotta swim, birds gotta eat
Tiger got to hunt
Bird got to fly
Man got to ask himself “why, why, why”
Tiger got to sleep
Bird got to land
Man got to tell himself he understand
The worst part about browsing GW back then was how hard it was to get the onion off your belt.
But those were the days…
now it’s just flashing genatils not even a face is attached to the body
It was always that, partially because people didn’t want their livelihood affected by having nudes on the Internet. With the rise of an option where having nudes on the Internet can be their livelihood, there’s more faces in those pictures.
The better option would be for people to feel free to express themselves this way without worrying about their livelihood.
I would prefer it that way if it meant they were all professional and ensure proper age vetting, but it seems like even that is lost.
