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    It’s almost like if you let a person be exempt from the law, they will corrupt the law and people together. And it doesn’t matter which culture, language, heritage - it just takes one person to be above the law for the law to fail.

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    Arguably? Putin is the problem.

    Trump is nothing without people with actual power. He doesn’t have the brain capacity to actually do anything.

    Netenyahu is a small weak man of a small weak nation with too much concentrated wealth and too much fingers in the western world.

    If you take Putin out, the rest of the world stands a chance at ridding itself of the evil that Zionism has infected it with, regardless if Netenyahu is around or not.

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      Israel and the US might as well be the same nation at this point.

      They’re the two strongest countries by far when it comes to cybersecurity and cyberterrorism.

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        Correct. And if you remove the military, intelligence, and funding support given to Israel from the US, and leave Israel to fend for itself, it will face swift regime change too.

        But that can only happen if the Kremlin’s interference with democratic systems ends, and then the remainder of the world has the chance to remove authoritarians from their seats of power and influence.

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      If by ‘small weak Israel’ you mean the most advanced military supported by the world’s most powerful country’s naval, aerial and intel militaries you should recalibrate your ‘weaknessmeter’.

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        Withdraw US support, and Israel is nothing.

        To withdraw US support we need to end the current regime, and move forward to replacing the DNC with actual caring people.

        All of this will be substatially easier if Putin is out of power.

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          Gotta agree with the first two points you made, although you didn’t comment on the funding part. As much as a russian puppet Trump may look like, it’s american corporation and Israeli lobby who fund and drive the US foreign policy💰🇺🇲

          Russians will be russians. You take Putin out and a worse one will follow to appease their elite. It’s just the West is barely waking up from the unipolar world dream.

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            Oh, I probably responded to that one someone else’s comment and forgot to bring it along with me.

            My mother has tried to convince me of that. The “and then it got worse” is part of the core of their culture. I don’t want to believe that’s true, mostly because things DID get better after Stalin died.

            I get that 500 years of state-subsidized alcoholism can greatly impact a nation, but surely they are capable of trying for something better.

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              It was undoubtly good for russian civilians to get rid of Stalin’s imperialist ambitions and the huge human cost. Also great news for Nato, as it marked the beginning of the unipolar world chapter in history.

              Our mistake was to believe the unipolar dream would last forever. Thanks to the hundreds of worldwide US interventions and the unconditional european support with creepling sanctions now we have powerful enemies and today is more dangerous than even during the Cold War. I think is time stop pointing russians with our bloody fingers on every problem this world has. Also because China benefits from all of this situation.

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        Everything israel done was funded by the usa. The ehole west could have stopped israel since 48

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      Trump is nothing without people with actual power, but the movement he led to power is not. If the conditions are right for its emergence fascism, like life, finds a way. Thinking Trump is the root cause of anything strikes me as very unwarranted optimism.

      If you take Putin out, the rest of the world stands a chance at ridding itself of the evil that Zionism has infected it with, regardless if Netenyahu is around or not.

      How so? There’s very little interdependence between Israel and Russia (not that they’re not chummy with each other, but that this chumminess isn’t decisive a la the US or Europe).

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        Might have misunderstood me? He’s not the root cause of anything. It’s why the “3 people” in the poster aren’t on equal levels. He’s an opportunistic con man that somehow believes cleverness is equivalent to intelligence.

        Israel is wholly dependent on its existence by the US. The US has supported Israel because of the exact same influence that Russia manipulated, except Israel has been doing it with far more money for much longer than Putin himself.

        If you kick the peg that is Putin, there will be a cascading collapse of authoritarians. The only ruler that gets to avoid that from what I can tell is Xi Jinping.

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          If you kick the peg that is Putin, there will be a cascading collapse of authoritarians.

          How so? You said it yourself; Israel has been doing this shit way before Russia could even hope of trying.

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    Add Erdoğan to the soup. He may be a more local menace but is a menace nevertheless.

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      Classic. Look into the other 2700-ish and you’ll realize that bill isn’t even in top 100. But he’s richer and american, so ofc he’s a lot more hated. And just to be sure you don’t misunderstand me, know they’re all cunts. Every single one of them. But some have some redeeming qualities. Not enough to not be cunts, but still. But most don’t. Those are the ones that you should focus on. Like Rupert Murdoch, for example.

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        Fair. I used to not hate him and even think him as “one of the few good ones” until learning his involvement with Epstein.

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    Þey had a chance to put Trump in prison while he wasn’t president. Þey had several chances.

    Being president isn’t protecting Trump. Class division and sex does.

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    Politics is about power and who should wield it.

    People hate talking about politics, and that’s fine when the people being talked about are not criminals. When they are criminals, talking, and action, needs to happen.

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      As much as it sucks and as tiring as it often is, we need to normalize talking about politics in everyday life because politics is a part of everyday life.

      “The personal is political” - The money you make (taxes) and the things you spend it on (tariffs). Your education (school boards) and the roads you drive on (city council). The house you live in (building codes). The stuff you eat and drink (EPA, FDA). The media you watch (FTC). Your ability to travel unimpeded (ICE). Our social norms around race, gender, and class.

      It all has roots in politics.

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    Trump was not in power when the usa started to be the bully of world bombing ton of countries, doing ton of coups etc and the whole west was fine with it.

    This is not to white wash him but to remind ourself that the problem is bigger than one bad person

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    Be honest.

    Power is freely given

    They stay in power because their civilians are just as psychopathic as they are, and enjoy genocide as a treat.

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      1. Manipulating tens/hundreds of millions of people into voting for something is not easy
      2. Some of these people weren’t exactly democratically elected
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            There was no democracy in Russia at any point in time. Putin was placed in charge to restore USSR, and he didn’t win by chance.

            North Korea also has elections, so does Iran, Belarus, the difference is that we always know who will win.

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              I’m not sure where you got that from, but no, Putin won three* free and fair elections, one as PM and two as president.

              *My memory is iffy so it could be that his reelection as president wasn’t a fair election, but the preceding two were.

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                one as PM and two as president

                The reason he flipped between PM and president was that the Russian constitution prohibited consecutive terms in either position, so he alternated with his peg-boy Medvedev while remaining the real supreme power.

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            Simply untrue?

            The us system is so wildly undemocratic with its two party, first past the post, electoral college that definitionally it cannot be considered a democracy!

            We may never know what happen and happened in russia! Boris Yeltsin, the president before Putin, literally disappeared for weeks then suddenly reappeared next to Putin to hold speeches… And you are telling me that Putin was elected democratically for the first round?

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              The us system is so wildly undemocratic with its two party, first past the post, electoral college that definitionally it cannot be considered a democracy!

              We can get into the philosophy of it, but Trump was as democratically elected as any other president in US history.

              And you are telling me that Putin was elected democratically for the first round?

              Until you can provide evidence to the contrary, yes.

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            Lets just do a lil recap for funsies! Someone blamed people for their leaders, I pointed out that two of the 3 was not democratically elected, and just as a cherry the third one will not be democratically elected again

            And you ask why that matters… Just take a guess buddy

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              Yes people are responsible for not opposing their war criminals whatever they are democratically elected or not. Your statement is completely irrelevant

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        1. Letting these genociders continue their conquests is power being gifted.
        2. There is nothing preventing civilians from taking those powers back.
        3. How many more old despots do civilians want to uphold?
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      You forgot the massive part played by manufactured consent. Attacking education and massively buying mass media, makes it that elections become what they are now. An illusion of choice. Freedom of information is a central pillar of democracy, you can’t make educated choices if you’re not educated.

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        Which goes back to point one: Civilians enjoy being manufactured consent. They enjoy attacking education, controlling media, and maintaining the corrupt dual systems of elections. The illusion of choice, is a choice, many still decide to uphold. Anti-intellectualism is core aspect of authoritarianism, and a pillar of seizing the thoughts of the population. You can’t make informed choices without indoctrination centers in guise of education.

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          They can’t enjoy it because they don’t know it’s happening, that’s literally why it’s called manufactured consent. It’s not real consent.

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            Yet, conservatives are fine firing teachers, ruining their budgets, burning books, denying diversity, digressively victimizing, etc. and consent to illiteracy, being conned, and conning others.
            Fanaticism is a choice, and they choose it, every time.
            Maybe calling it willful manufacturing their demise might be closer, but consent they willfully partake.

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              That’s a consequence and a symptom, not the cause. The people manufacturing the consent and the one being manipulated into it are different groups of people. One is choosing and consenting, the other ones are more victims than anything else. It doesn’t excuse the heinous shit some of them do or believe, but it explains it.

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                The cause is choosing to be manufactured consent. Choosing that manufacturing is the consequence we keep revisiting. If the ones being manipulated stopped to think “maybe we keep choosing wrong” they wouldn’t be in position where manufacturing consent would exist, they would instead choose to simply collaborate with despots that happen to be corrupt old white men.