Ah yes there was someone saying 1 in 2 people voted for Trump and yeah nope…
Let’s get a count of all of the votes that were tossed due to targeted voter registration purges.
pfff… he won twice. if americans would want a real democracy that wouldnt have happened.
I need to mention that the reason why 20 million fewer voters voted is. Because of the massive voter suppression that was done prior to the 2024 election. So many people were purged from voters rolls and many polling places were closed it wasn’t funny.
How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.
Those who didn’t vote, who thought their vote didn’t matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office… they’re complicit.
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I voted, and my vote definitely did not matter. Nor will it until we completely overhaul the election system, getting rid of the electoral college and first past the post. I don’t think that’s going to happen either until politicians acquire enough fear to offset their greed.
Your biden sent the bombs that killed my friend in lebannon.
I hate americans lol. How does your own medecine taste like bitch?
The only significantly statically impactful group of “non voters” is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Meaning the major majority of voters that didn’t vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.
These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters’ that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.
I guess I just want to say “in conclusion” that the vast majority of voters that didn’t vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to “risk” their shift for.
No one’s gonna “risk a shift” for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don’t get people to “risk their shift” for voting for a lesser evil.
I guess I just want to say “in conclusion” that the vast majority of voters that didn’t vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
This is a very clear and succinct description of something I’ve been struggling to articulate for years. Affluent liberals can tell their boss they’re taking a long lunch to vote, and they don’t understand why shift workers don’t do the same.
the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Voting early or by mail was available to:
-Alaska
-Arizona
-Arkansas
-California: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Colorado: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-D.C.: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Delaware
-Florida
-Georgia
-Hawaii: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Idaho
-Illinois
-Iowa
-Kansas
-Maine
-Maryland
-Massachusetts
-Michigan
-Minnesota
-Montana
-Nebraska
-Nevada: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-New Jersey
-New Mexico
-New York
-North Carolina
-North Dakota
-Ohio
-Oklahoma
-Oregon: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Pennsylvania
-Rhode Island
-South Dakota
-Utah: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Vermont: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Virginia
-Washington: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Wisconsin
-WyomingI’m not saying people don’t have tough lives, but it has been made pretty available to a lot of people at this point.
Note that there’s some asterisks on there.
Some of those states require you to get your ballot notarized and/or signed by witnesses. Incidentally this opens the door for voter intimidation since your witness is likely to be a spouse.
Also, you have scenarios like NC where they are trying to retroactively toss ballots that were counted, and mail in opens the door for “something wasn’t quite proper about the ballot, discard it”.
If you absolutely, positively, can not vote in person at all, then try your luck with mail in ballots, but if at all possible vote in person if you want the best chance for your vote to count.
Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting…
Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i’m in my 40s
Dw in canada the voter turn out is 18 percent.
Other countries vote on Sundays, US could do the same.
Also mail in voting exists.
But yes, big brain move to not vote or vote some third party.
Nah bigger brain is telling ppl neo liberalism is better then conseravitsm. “If im poor at least I’m not them”. Why you think most of the world is conservative?
You have no problem with what your democrats does to foreigners, you just dont want to be bother to have to fight fascism at home. You suck. You are inherently supremacist, to the point you don’t even notice, and thus no better than some maga idiot.
I really appreciate your comment, because here we are months later and still a lot of folks don’t seem to be getting the big picture.
Maybe they need someone to blame other than the GOP, and folks who didn’t vote are the easiest target.
I got a mail in ballot because I knew I wouldn’t have time to make it on Voting Day
Of course, in-person early voting is a safer bet.
Mailing in your ballot puts it at a significantly higher chance of being discarded.
not everyone lives in that kind of state here in the UnUnited States of America
Almost all of us do
This and a similar result in last years UK election is why we need to go the Australian route and make voting compulsory.
The UK government won a landslide with just 15% of the electorate actually voting for a Labour MP. But because we have a broken system they have a huge majority.
I believe that people that do not want to vote or do not feel particularly strongly about politics should be free to stay home. They might not know much about politics. Wouldn’t you rather have people vote who are actually invested into politics and come to vote because they actually want to? Also, I do not think it is ok to force people to participate in democracy in suvh a manner.
Just because you reckon your party would have won if you forced people to vote, does not mean it should be done.
It’s true that mandatory voting nets a lot of low information voters. It also encourages a lot of people to check the major party’s policies who otherwise wouldn’t bother.
I’m not aware of low information voters swaying the vote one way or another.
By making voting mandatory, it becomes mandatory for everyone to have an opportunity to vote.
In what country do people not have the opportunity to vote? Even if that is the case, why not just make the voting accessible without forcing people to vote?
I just don’t see the point.
You don’t see the point in telling citizens to take an interest?
Ok mate.
It seems to me that there is a difference between telling someone to take and interest and forcing them to vote even though they do not care to do that on their own.
Australian voting isn’t just mandatory. It’s a two-party preferential system. If you vote for a minor party or independent, your vote ultimately goes toward one of the two largest parties. No vote is a throwaway.
Two party systems are as dangerous as voting Labour. Fortunately thanks to Labours disastrous term so far we now have three viable parties theoretically capable of winning the next election. Which is coming sooner than people realise. Probably 2026, possibly this year.
Two party preferential is not the same as two party.
A lot of elected reps needed preferences from other candidates in order to make 50% of the vote. Those reps know where their bread us buttered.
You are talking shit.
While I agree in principle I don’t think that would necessarily change the results in this case as labour was the best mainstream option in that case. The conservatives had messed up badly and lost public confidence, bleeding votes to both Labour and Reform.
Labour are NEVER an option. We don’t need their hard left Orwellian hell state they are creating. It was all there for people to see during the election. But every voice that warned they were lying about almost everything in their manifesto (mine included) were silenced by being slapped with the “far-right” label. A label that Labour use to describe ANY criticism aimed at them. Why? Because it sounds scary, it works and keeps people scared of change.
So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.
Yeah, no, that’s not how that works. We’ve got the electoral college, remember? There were 20 states that went blue. Any additional votes to Harris in those states wouldn’t have made Trump win less, refraining to vote in those states ultimately didn’t matter. You need to look at the percentage of people that didn’t vote in states that went red. But I get it, its easier to blame everyone who didn’t vote than to use critical thought.
Yeah, pretending that it wasn’t a landslide is a grand delusion.
As a brit I have found it fascinating how American and British politics seem to mirror each other. This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit. The stats the TV showed was 51% vs 49% in favour of Brexit but only 60% of the country voted and with this teeny tiny majority of voters the Conservatives enacted a massive constitutional change and causes absolute havoc which we are still paying for today.
We’ve since voted out the party that caused it but it landed us with an ineffective centrist Labour party who are continuing the mistakes of the past and not appealing to the left in the slightest (sound familiar?). This government still has 4 more years left in power but unless they change tack then I am very worried that we will have a extreme right version of the Conservatives in power next election.
The problem is the First Past The Post voting system. It’s not true democracy. It’s weighted to the right. Two parties, both in the pocket of big business. One who says “Oh, we’d love to help all you poors but it’s really not possible to increase taxes on the rich and invest in our country”, and the other who says “you’ll be poor but at least you’re not gonna get deported or persecuted like those gay and brown people”.
TLDR: Both the US and the UK need urgent electoral reform. Write to your representative. Make it an issue. Do not stop until it is a number one priority for these ghouls or they will keep fucking us.
Thank you for attending my Ted talk. Goodnight.
This government still has 4 more years left in power
You don’t honey think Kier Stalin and Rachel from accounts will survive the full 5 year term do you?
As for voting reform. We need proportional representation and compulsory voting like the Australians do it. Unfortunately no sitting government will bring in those changes because it will make it harder for them to be re elected.
Remember we had a referendum on it in 2011and because outlets like the BBC opposed it then intentionally made it sound convoluted and confusing to stop it from happening.
Unfortunately, Stamer has a massive majority and can therefore only be ousted by his own party, which he has fairly effectively (so far) brought to heel. The only issue that he is being challenged on is the benefits freeze for disabled people but I expect he will walk that back in the not too distant future to make it look like he’s listening.
I completely agree about the voting reform. It will be an uphill battle but it’s not impossible. The UK has changed so much since 2011 the Tories have bled the UK dry and this Labour party are as left wing as David Cameron. It’s getting the message across to the Gen Zers and younger that voting reform is the way forward rather than letting people like Nigel Fuckface control the narrative.
Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?
68.1% support Trump 30.84% support Harris 1.06% support 3rd party
FIFY. Please stop pretending that it wasn’t a landslide. Please stop pretending that Americans don’t support fascism. Please stop pretending that you’re not responsible.
there is a huge number of people not legally allowed to vote but people like you insist on helping our jailers like Trump to make our fellow citizens the problem not the oligarchs
I like how latent fascists always come up with excuses.
Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people’s votes. If you don’t live in a swing state then that’s understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn’t vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.
I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?
The top 10 states by voter participation are: Minnesota Colorado Oregon Washington Wisconsin Maine New Hampshire Michigan Iowa New Jersey
Those above as well as Virginia, Montana, Massachusetts, Vermont, North Carolina, Florida, and Connecticut have participation rates above ~70%. While a few swing states are in there, it’s certainly not overwhelming given that I’ve listed about 40% of the states.
Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.
Internalizing the “your vote only matters in purple states” will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
Previously blue states have turned purple, previously purple states have turned red. Nothing is set in stone, although resting on your laurels (if your state is blue) or giving up (if your state is red) will all but guarantee that the changes will only happen in one direction: the bad one.
In 2020, Texas would have gone blue were it not for Ken Paxton purging mail-in votes, by Paxton’s own admission.
Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.
Yeah, it’s pretty dumb. The popular vote is what should matter. That’s the only way each vote counts as much as any other vote, which is like a basic principle of democracy.
didn’t Trump still win the popular vote though
Yes, but many people simply don’t vote because they know their chosen party will win easily. By the numbers there are more Democrats than Republicans.
fair enough
He got more votes than Harris, but less than 50%.
stop fucking deluding yourselves. that’s not how voting works. people who do not vote aren’t voting for “other”. they’re voting for whoever ends up winning the votes of those who did. that 36 percent said “i don’t care who wins, I’m fine with either”. that is a vote for him.
The really shocking stat is the growing number of eligible voters who have just stopped voting or participating in the system at all. When you look at the #1 reason why it is “no matter who wins my life doesn’t get better and no candidate represents me”. We have a quasi functional democracy at this point.
