Last week, top ICE officials ordered officers to increase arrests and to get “creative” in their methods, including trying to nab people the officers happen to encounter in what are known as “collateral arrests.” The orders come in the wake of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller setting a quota of 3,000 immigration arrests per day, along with a sharp rise in protests against the crackdown.

In Westbury, the HSI agents didn’t respond to the gathered crowd. After a few minutes, the agents drove away. A commotion erupted down the road, off-camera, and onlookers began rushing toward the corner.

One of the Nissans, carrying two of the HSI agents, had crashed into a black pickup truck that happened to be passing through the intersection. Three eyewitnesses told The Intercept that the agents’ car had sped away. Two of the witnesses believe the Nissan blew a stop sign, causing the crash. (Nassau County police referred questions about the accident to ICE, which did not respond to an inquiry.)

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          Yeah, they are. Dehumanization is not okay “if my side is doing it.”

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            I think you’re attacking the symptom rather than the disease.

            And i think they chose inhumanity. To call them human would not only be an insult to us, but disregarding their own self identification and chosen identity. Imposing that identity against its will seems a violation of its autonomy.

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              “They chose inhumanity”

              Jesus fucking Christ… You really think you have the high ground with this kind of thinking, don’t you?

              Hate only breeds hate. When you dehumanize your enemies, you already lost.

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      And “anti-law enforcement agitators” = non-whites who don’t want their children kidnapped.

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    If ICE is meeting resistance even in a place like Westbury, then at least something is going right.

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    I watched most of the video clip. The agents all look kinda perplexed. As if they can’t understand that nearly any species alive will go nuts when you go for their offspring.

    Guys, I think ICE agents are aliens.

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      Well, they’re supposed to snatch innocent people, kids, break apart families, so I think it’s granted they must be some kind of sadistic psychopaths.

      After that, the way they try to get around the illegality of what they’re doing suggests they’re also very, very, very dumb.

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        Exactly. Joining ice is the easiest way to show the world you’re antisocial, racist and have zero emotional intelligence. These people wouldn’t know empathy if it slapped someone else across the face

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          These people wouldn’t know empathy if it slapped someone else across the face

          Brilliantly put

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      I think it’s a case of psychopathy and the fact that some of these people TRULY don’t see black and brown people as people. The dehumanization is truly complete to the point that they really don’t understand that they’re PEOPLE, with thoughts and feelings.

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        Psychopaths understand people a lot better than these ice agents. These are garden variety sociopaths at best

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      I didn’t see a video on the archived site, didn’t want to subscribe with an email to see the page. Does the video cover their acts and the following crash? Weighing my interests, maybe I’ll find it elsewhere

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        Not the crash itself. But the direct aftermath. They see something happened down the street and start going there.

        As for the agents fuckery, they get yelled at on the street outside the school and look like shocked deer at an approaching car.

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        The video is an embedded FB live video.

        Heres the link

        Edit: linking to the video on FB doesn’t seem to work. But there’s no validation, so you can sign up using any email. I was able to watch it after entering the email [email protected]

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        My wife just got declared to be colon cancer free. It was a close thing. Can we go with wishing some other cause of death on them? Maybe a fire? Or multiple stab wounds?

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          Honestly, I get you. After watching my wife have a stroke, I feel the same way. I was just parroting an edgy joke.

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            I drove an aunt to the hospital with a minor stroke. It was terrible and horrible. Terror. Horror.

            Know that a random guy wishes you and your wife the best.

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            “Edgy”, that’s it! Wood chipper, cutting themselves while shaving, falling onto a scythe, whatever… as long as it involves an edge!

            But you… I hope you die at age 249 after breaking the record for most orgasms, then pass away peacefully in your sleep surrounded by loved ones and soft animals… (the animals were not involved in the prior activity)

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          My wife is in recovery from burns after I stabbed her and set fire to her boyfriend’s apartment.

          Can we go back to colon cancer?

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            not so fun fact, non healing burns/scars /wounds are known to cause rare form of skin cancer(agressive SCC), yess squamous cell cancer can be quite deadly, if it forms from a burn scar.

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          I watched most of the people i love die of cancer.

          I feel like it’s pretty much what they deserve.

          I hope they die of treatable cancer, because no doctor will touch them. That would hurt worse. I’ve been on the edge of death a couple times, and the ones where nobody could have helped didn’t hurt emotionally anywhere near as bad as the ones where anybody could have fixed it.

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          You’d better stick with a different choice, no sense tempting an evil rebound. But I think I’m gonna start casting colon cancer on orangeface fatfuck. Maybe a few massive blood clots to go with it. Why can you never find a lump of polonium when you need it?

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      I know someone who died of fast colon cancer, and I’d be okay with ICE agents going the same way.

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      Yeah, that’s the problem … they’ll live with colon cancer until they’re 88 years of age and become a career politician

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      On the one hand, yes. On the other, I don’t want them to stick around doing evil for a long time. Maybe something immediately debilitating that takes a long time to finish?

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    ICE really does seem like the new SS. As a European it’s scary as fuck to watch the world’s most powerful state turn fascist.

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      As an American, the scariest part is how little most seem to care about it. Well, that and the fascism.

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      Try being an American citizen with a history degree. I know where this leads, and I’m terrified.

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        I feel like my history teachers tried to warn us about this, but they couldn’t say it directly and most of us didn’t take the hint.

        “Does history repeat itself?”

        “Those who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat it.”

        What they’re really trying to get their students thinking is “do we learn from history?” And the answer is a big, fat, fuck no.

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          Actually, I have considered that, wanting to avoid being the same kind of victim of partisan propaganda as stupid Conservatives. This is especially important to me, as I have been an Unaffiliated Independent since first registering to vote in 1977. It important to me to not succumb to the propaganda of either side.

          My self-reflection has determined to my personal satisfaction that I am not shrill, I’m not an alarmist, and I’m not a commie. I have a history degree, 30 years of professional experience, and have closely watched the rise of extremist Conservatism since the mid-80s, so I am very comfortable offering my opinions with confidence. I don’t worry about acceptance from MAGA Nazi Traitors. I couldn’t care less about their treasonous, shallow, ignorant, violent, political opinions.

          My education, knowledge, and experience has led me to believe that we are facing a divide in America as bad as the Civil War, and very possibly worse. The MAGAs are clearly taking their strategies from the Nazi Germany Playbook, and want to murder vast swathes of Americans. To recognize and warn others about it is not shrill, alarmist, or “commie,” and it is not lost on me that you are attempting to shame me into silence.

          It won’t work. Indies like me aren’t afraid in the least of Cowardly Nazi Traitors like you. We know what you are up to, and we will stop you.

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      To see the Canadian government start pushing bills on immigration that are similar to those put in place to allow all this to happen in the US is terrifying as well. We voted in hopes of fending off this fascist takeover and yet here we are with Drumpfkins next door and our own “left” cooking the country.

      The citizens of the world are under fire everywhere from fascism and even Nazism. We all need to stand up and fight back no matter where we live.

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    So, Imma go back to my philosophy 101 argument structure days. Fill in the blank.

    Premise 1. Racists should never feel safe being racists. Premise 2. Nobody willingly becomes an ICE agent without being a racist. Conclusion: Therefore, … ?

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      ICE should never feel safe, at any time, ever again. Make them NEED marines and NG cover every time they go out for one of their abduction raids.

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        Make waiting too long to quit the job ruin their lives, and the lives of anyone around them.

        Anyone who fucks them, serves them coffee, gives them a loan, treats their injuries, or rents them a room at a coffin hotel, should be made to regret it.

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    Westbury: “in Latino-heavy New York suburbs.”

    Ummmmmmmm… Unless Westbury changed in the 6 months since I’ve been there, it’s a really wealthy area. Not that Latinos can’t be wealthy, but my dad lives there, I’m literally going there Sunday. I wouldn’t exactly describe it as Latino-heavy, unless you aim to describe the entirety of Long Island as Latino-heavy…

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        Indeed. Which honestly the characterization of Long Island as being “Latino-heavy” isn’t exactly wrong. Everywhere I’ve worked (almost all of my work history is blue collar) I’m side by side with a not insignificant number of them. I’m honestly glad I took my father’s advice and learned some Spanish in highschool, because it has been handy at work although admittedly I’ve forgotten most of it lol

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      There is one nice area in west bury with senior living apartments. Rest is pretty low income .

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    Sooo Federal officers get to flee scenes, guess insurance doesn’t matter anymore.

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    I’m thinking that if ICE et al keeps this up, pretty soon random people are gonna start taking sneaky potshots at them. Amongst many, many other things, these dipshits are actively making their own jobs wildly more dangerous.

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          Sniping ICE agents would make things much worse much more quickly.

          Maybe the progression of violence is inevitable, but once you start killing pigs, it will all happen very quickly.

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              Look man, I am a protesting, pro-physical intervention, pro-whatever it takes leftist. All I’m saying is random people shooting at ICE is going to end protest and resistance, and begin the part where the government shoots and kills protestors and resistance on sight.

              If you think that’s the best plan, that’s fine. I do not. I think there is more that needs to happen before the shooting starts.

              I own many guns. I practice with them. I have thousands of rounds of ammunition. When the government starts shooting people, I will decide if I’m ready to die to protect my family and community.

              But I’m not gonna kill myself and dozens of others by foolishly “taking a pot shot” at these fucking nazis.

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            If you’re afraid of attacking their person, then attack their property.

            We can all work together to make sure ICE agents don’t get nice suburban houses that aren’t covered in eggs and toilet paper.

            We can all work together to make sure their tires don’t have air in them as often as possible.

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        Oh shit, yeah. Can’t have the military in our communities.

        checks outside that would be even wirse than those guys in camo and modern gear holding rifles stranding around. The grey painted armored vehivles with doohickeys on the roof. Much less scary than having the military in my community.

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    I wonder if ICE agents are paid a lot more than those people would be in other jobs having the same qualifications/experience etc, and that’s the reason why they stay on. Or some massive perks or something. Why isn’t there a mass exodus of ICE agents leaving? Or maybe there is and it’s not reported? There must be some attraction?

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      I’m pretty much convinced they recruited all these thugs from alt-right groups and disgraced ex-police in the last few months. They don’t have uniforms or badges. They wear face masks and refuse to identify themselves. They needed a bunch of guys that had no problem with being cruel and hateful and they were right there ready to step up.

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        They have to. Where else would so many new ones come from? So many who are so unaware of rights and laws?

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        yea these are most likely the same people who formed their own local militias and jerked off to fantasies of shooting protesters.

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        They probably just walk around downtown and recruit from whomever has a cut-off shirt and a swastika tattoo

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      The ingredients in this cocktail A Molotov cocktail has three main components:

      A casing. This is usually made of glass, in order to hold and store the fuel, but shatter upon impact in order to release it. Alcohol bottles are commonly seen in media, but Spaniards in their civil war were known for using jam jars. Fuel. This can be alcohol, kerosene, napalm, gasoline (petrol), or other compounds that are flammable. Again, in media, we typically see alcohol being used, but there are better choices (more on that below). A fuse, wick, or some other method for ignition. This could be a rag or other absorbent material stuffed into the opening of the casing, but it could also be wind-proof matches, or a mixture of chemicals that, when combined with chemicals inside the casing, will spontaneously ignite. All three of these components can be fairly easily obtained by civilians, hence the popularity of the Molotov.

      Common mistakes when mixing a Molotov One of the big challenges with homemade Molotov cocktails is that they cannot be instantly used, or stored long-term; you need to light the fuse right before you’re going to use it. It’s like a grenade, but instead of just pulling a pin, you have to carry a lighter.

      In the design most commonly seen in the media, the fuse is a piece of cloth, stuffed into the neck of a bottle. This rag soaks up the flammable liquid.

      Note that Molotovs don’t explode on their own! That soaked rag doesn’t carry the fire down into the bottle, but rather ignites the liquid once it splashes, when the bottle breaks.

      Because of this, it is important to ensure that the rag is stuffed tightly into the neck of the bottle, so that extra liquid won’t dribble out! Otherwise, when the rag is lit, there’s a risk of spilling flammable liquid on the user.

      The wick also should not be very long! Again, remember that the wick is just a way to transfer fire to the target, along with the liquid. You only need a wick that’s an inch or two long.

      Another challenge is selecting the right fuel. There are upsides and downsides to each:

      Alcohol will burn well, but must be at a high proof or concentration; you can’t use regular 80 proof vodka. You’ll need to use at least 100 proof, ideally something even stronger, like Everclear. Gasoline will burn strongly, but won’t last long, so you get a big fireball but then nothing. The best fuels are mixed with a thickener; the Finns used gasoline mixed with roofing tar to create a form of napalm that lasted longer and stuck to targets. Finally, it’s important to select the right casing. You’re throwing a glass bottle, which needs to be tough enough to stay intact while you’re handling it, but also fragile enough to break when it hits the target.

      Unlike a grenade, nothing in the Molotov actually makes it “explode”, aside from the kinetic energy when it hits the target. Some tips:

      Don’t use a Molotov against a soft target. If you throw a Molotov at a bush, it won’t break, and you’ll just look silly. Many bottles, such as wine or champagne bottles, are designed to not break when they are dropped. They are generally too thick/sturdy to work for a Molotov. Some guides recommend scoring the bottles with a glass cutter or knife, in order to better ensure that they fully break when they hit. Throw overhand, like chucking a tomahawk or throwing axe. This can be tough, depending on fuse positioning, but gives greater range. The Finns eventually found that, instead of stuffing a rag into the open neck of a bottle, it was easier to strap a weatherproof match to the outside of the bottle, light it, and then throw the sealed bottle with burning match. This also ensures that nothing ignites prematurely or drips out.

      If you’re protesting against something, and someone whips out a Molotov, be prepared for the police or forces on the other side to respond in kind. A Molotov is deadly, and it will elicit deadly force to be used by the other side.

      Finally, every bit of using a Molotov is dangerous. You’re holding a flame, right next to a bottle of very flammable liquid. Drop it by accident? Fumble the throw? Have someone shoot or smack it out of your hands? There’s a very good chance you’ll set yourself on fire.

      Remember, a Molotov does not explode like a bomb; a good cocktail has a tight seal between the internal mixture and the outside flame! A good Molotov has a tightly sealed bottle, but one that is fragile enough to break when it impacts a target.

      Despite what we see on television, most alcohols won’t be concentrated or high-proof enough to burn. Actual Molotovs are usually made with gasoline or kerosene.

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        Historical nitpick just because of history and not for any nefarious reason.

        You mention a rag stuffed into the bottle. This is inaccurate to what the Finnish, who invented the device, did.

        A rag stuffed into a bottle is easily snuffed out, and the user of the device risks spilling flammable liquid on themselves when throwing the device.

        The fins, historically, tied a rag around the neck of a bottle that was sealed. The rag was exposed to air and can burn steadily, and the sealed bottle makes handling much safer. When thrown, the bottle or jar will still break and spread the liquid, and the steadily burning rag will ignite them.

        Do with this knowledge what you will.

        And always remember that Hollywood has a legal interest in showing you non viable ways of making destructive devices. Always think about the most practical way to do something, regardless of how you’ve seen it in movies.

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      what might also work is balloons filled with paint, thrown against the windshield of their vehicles. does no permanent damages, but makes it difficult to leave the area hastily.