Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york
liberals, am I right? ☕
You are right.
Follow the money, perhaps? Cui bono
For some of us, the 2016 Democratic primary was quite illuminating. I’m glad to see people are catching up finally.
sO yOu ArE sAyInG “bOtH sIDeS eQuAlLy BaD”?!?!?!
cOnGrAtULaTiOnS oN gEtTiNg TrUmP eLeCtEd!! :(
It’s like the second you notice parallels in our two party system, they misrepresent you as saying they are EXACTLY the same in EVERY REGARD.
Meanwhile, we no longer question why we only have two parties to vote for in the first place. Hint: the two parties keep it that way.
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It’s like how Disney makes a big deal about being progressive while making a movie about a space cop who uses her weapons to intimidate indigenous populations.
It didn’t happen overnight (and racist religious world views have been cultivated within this cohort over many years), but the fact that the poorest most easily manipulated people haven’t had anybody representing their interests for decades now opened the door to Trump.
The same process is happening in the UK. The UK ‘electorate’ don’t seem to have the wherewithal to see this, instead they often demonise the poor as ‘racist’ or xenophobic inflaming the situation.
the poorest most easily manipulated people
The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as “radical” and “socialist” you mean?*
*Which is not some blanket endorsement of Democrats. A lot of them are also out of touch, too conservative, and still trying to run the country like it’s 1952. I’m eagerly awaiting the rise of a viable 3rd party (but after all these decades I’m not really holding my breath) or the implosion of the Democrats. I was aghast that Trump somehow pulled them right instead of left, but maybe it will result in an implosion from which Bernie, AOC, Jasmine Crockett and such can bring a phoenix out of the ashes.
‘Radical’ and ‘socialist’ in US politics are not only nothing of the sort but are nowhere near, so no I do not mean that in any sense.
Don’t put words in my mouth my post was clear.
Don’t put words in my mouth my post was clear.
Well, I didn’t, but OK.
They weren’t putting words in your mouth. They said:
“The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as “radical” and “socialist” you mean?”
They were talking about the poor and working class people who have been convinced by “Conservatives” that those programs are somehow radical and socialist.
Once someone’s reading comprehension gate slams one direction in these conversations it’s hard to get it to flip the other way sometimes. I also tried, but I expect he’ll tell me to fuck off next or something.
Oh well. Thank you for also trying!
‘You mean’
No I didn’t mean that. Please don’t waste my time.
So you don’t think those people would benefit the most from those programs?
Say what? I thought I understood and supported your original statement, but now I’m not sure.
Who were you referring to when you said “the poorest most easily manipulated people”?
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the Dems are in cahoots with the same elite that are in cahoots with the Reps. the dems and reps pretend to be on opposite ends of a spectrum, but they are both sucking up to capitalists and their corporations
By definition that makes them all rightwing authoritarians aka fascists, which checks out.
What it actually makes them is zionist controlled opposition. You don’t get zionist occupied government without having zionist occupied parties. The US government does whatever is good for Israel even if it is bad for the American people, so yes, we have zionist occupied government.
So you shouldn’t be surprised that the current in power dems have more loyalty to that than any ideology / policy take. It’s a club and they have to maintain it by controlling who’s in it.
The guy, unfortunately for him, has a very human and natural position on Gazan genicide. And that’s just not permissible.
Crazy how much people at large have moved past the whole religious zealotry thing, but the people in charge are still having their holy wars and crusades, fulfilling their biblical prophecies and “divine right.” I thought for those in charge this whole religion thing was just a mechanism for power, what’s crazy to me is it actually looks like they believe that shit.
It’s very simple. One of these people blindly supports Israel no matter what it does, up to and including genocide, and the other one doesn’t.
The Democratic Party are not friends to the people. They get rich being the opposition party and will only do the bare minimum necessary to get you to not vote the monsters back in, which is one of the reasons far-right parties are getting a draw world-wide when the alternative is neoliberalism.
We have to force radical change (the no brainer stuff like social safety nets, massive justice reform, and massive election reform).
The Sword of Damocles is twofold: the revolution of the people, and the wrath of rival dictators. And it’s not to be blunted, but to keep our officials serving the public rather than their own private interests.
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It is so pleasant to see that people in the US understand that.
This is the extreme example, but if you look at Russia, that separation between the public and the politics had happened a long time ago. Now it is impossible to even convince people that politics has to serve their interests, and not the rich. And we see with the invasion how these lofeviews eventually unfolds.
Wish Americans to be strong in their transformation into the real civil society. And wish you luck and to have required support for this transformation.
we shall destroy the democratic party and rebuild it in our image
And then we will get rid of the awful and outdated “First Past the Post” style of voting and the Electoral College. Maybe do some term limits for Supreme Court justices as well.
Don’t forget Bernie.
DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.
Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.
Thank fuck it’s now blatantly obvious with Zohran.
There is something people are missing with Bernie. Bernie does happen to be Jewish, but he is not a Zionist, unlike for example Chuck Shumer. Then Hillary is not Jewish but she is a Zionist.
The control system prefers Zionists for legislative positions but they absolutely require Zionists for administrative positions. So much so they won’t let someone escape a primary without the machine kicking into play. Even at the state level.
I’m not confident they will get it this time. Or care
I mean really they don’t, I’m pretty sure 180 just voted against the impeachment of Trump. Literally just waiting to see which shill geriatric they’ll put up for 2028 and pull the same “vote for us or suffer Republicans” bs for the next election.
I keep saying that if progressives in the DNC are being constantly blocked and cheated out of power, they need to split off and make their own party. They’re afraid that if they do, they’ll lose a majority against Republicans, but that’s already true because even bargain basement protection laws barely pass when the Dems do have a majority in congress, and they actively support bs Republican bills when a minority like right now.
Splitting would render the DNC useless and simultaneously tap into the huge block of nonvoters that would turnout like how Mamdani’s voter base was largely a grassroots campaign.
If Mamdani gets assassinated, it will cause people to intentionally vote for socialists.
Just a prediction.
They are always the JV team to the GOP.
It’s funny. A lot on the right say the same thing about their representatives. They even call them RINOs (republican in name only). Funny how when republicans take control the spending goes up anyway.
It’s almost like either party doesn’t actually do what they say they do and have an entirely different agenda. It would be interesting to see on what issues congressional dems and republicans agree on that the public disagrees with them on. That might tell us what the actual agenda is.
I like this analogy.
The Democrats are playing the game.
The Republicans are playing the rules of the game.
Oh I agree completely. Just to clarify: The DNC absolutely will not get it or care. This is what I was describing as more “apparant” now.
Agreed. And why we need a new party. Organize and take back control of our country
It’s fun watching you kids realize that the Democratic party isn’t the place to go for real change. I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.
Also: You have to vote for them no matter how much you hate them. If Fetterman wins his primary next time I MUST vote for him or I am letting Republicans win.
As opposed to Chuck Schumer who also lets Republicans win.
Helping a Fetterman win means not only does another republican win, but a republican now has power within the democratic party. Every Pelosi will have to lose an election, primary or general if we are to get a party that even desires to stop the Republicans.
Republicans have had power in the Democratic Party for decades. Lieberman, Manchin, Sinema, and probably more I don’t remember.
And everyone makes excuses for them rather than kicking them out.
Exactly, so when a Chuck Schumer wins a primary, feel no compulsion to vote for them in the general. Vote Blue No Matter Who folks were wrong the whole time.
I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.
Me too grandpa.🙂
You kids and your Gores and Kuciniches. Pepperidge Farm remembers Mondale/Ferraro. Shit, we remember McGovern.
You got me on McGovern!
Im working on it.
So funny to see in real time the difference between their phony outrage over Trump’s arguably monstrous policies, VS their genuine fear over a socialist winning a mayoral race.
This is why everyone who claims the way to fix Dems is via primaries is wrong. Dems will lie, cheat, or simply not hold primaries altogether, rather than risk an actual leftist winning the nomination.
Now watch as Dems throw their support behind the independent in order to undermine Zohran.
Andrew Cuomo running as an independent, and he was endorsed by many dem leaders already
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cuomo-stay-new-york-city-mayoral-ballot-november/story?id=123258468
Your source indicates he is still running, but unless I’m missing something makes no mention of endorsements. Do you have a source for that?
The endorsements were from before he was running during the primary.
I was being slightly fecesious
We do a little lying
That’s not how you spell that.
Certainly a shitty way to spell it
I was curious when I heard he’d passed the deadline to remove his name from the ballot for the general (whether he runs or not), and it seems the Republicans are pissed he didn’t because he’s likely going to take their votes away from Adams. Probably a good thing for Mamdani.
Nice to see ranked choice voting working.
Not that it doesn’t work, but just nice New York can actually fight over more valid candidates without spoiling the election (not that I care for Adam’s or Coumo either).
I still think we should support those that do primary if just to show the flippant double standards.
Plus it’s good if some of them win and pull the party in a reasonable direction. And having decent people in government is always nice.
The structural flaws in our elections that force us into a two-party system are deeply entrenched and they aren’t going to change until this place burns down and starts over. If you aren’t willing to vote for a politician with good priorities because they were nominated by the democratic party, you can still be an influential voice but come election time the system is already designed to ignore your vote.
I’ve heard the “we should primary them and pull them in a direction”
And after a few cycles of this I realized why the Democratic icon is an ass: Because they’re stubborn, ornery, and will refuse to understand.
We are entirely fucked.
Theres like 2 people in the DNC who have voiced dislike of Zohran, and they’re getting fucking roasted on social media for it.
Zohran Mamdani is a Democrat. He is the DNC candidate. Vote for the DNC, vote for Zohran Mamdani.
If they’re not with Zohran, they’re against Democracy.
I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.
I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie’s stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.
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I’m pretty sure they’re with Zohran because he’s literally the DNC candidate.
Yes, of course. That must be why they tried ferociously to stop him from winning the primary with Islamophobic smears and are now freaking out that they failed, and why the corporate media (yes, even the “liberal” media) are all crashing out.
What sort of stuff were they saying
Here’s an article from the corporate media about the DNC’s response to Mamdani’s victory, and Here’s an article from independent leftist media about the Islamophobic attacks against him.
I won’t include an article from right-wing media, but I’m sure you can guess how they’re coping with the electoral victory of a Muslim socialist immigrant born in Uganda to Indian parents (not well).
The post we’re commenting under has also included some articles.
Ah yes, the great DNC freakout of 2025. It was legendary. Why even Bill Clinton made such vile remarks as
Congratulations @ZohranKMamdani on your victory in yesterday’s primary election and a well-run campaign. I’m wishing you much success in November and beyond as you work to bring New Yorkers together to tackle the city’s challenges and shape a stronger, fairer future,
These horrible disgusting people would stop at nothing to keep them off their ticket. Except, of course, not inviting him to run on their ticket, for some reason.
They’re all maintaining decorum (something they would die before dropping) by congratulating him on his win while denouncing his policies and stopping short of endorsing him. Ever since his victory all the “liberal” corporate media has been praising the “energy” of his campaign while criticizing his policies as dangerous and painting his pro-palestinian views as anti-semitic. Don’t even try to pretend the way the DNC has been responding to this is normal. In nearly every other democratic primary the DNC have been quick to line up behind the victor.
DNC doesn’t even stand for anything anymore. People use it when it’s not even relevant.
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Yeah, you’re just an Islamaphobe. I know this because you’re specifically focusing on Islam, rather than every other major religion.
Spoken like a true chauvinist. The UK murdered tens of millions more in India alone under the guise of the values of enlightenment than Islam has in the past century and a half.
Islam makes women 2nd class citizens it’s a guise for enslaving a whole gender. Fuck Islam. Defending it means you don’t value 50% of humans.
Fundamentalists of any religion do this.
Yes and Islam is bottom of the barrel
Yeah you’re right, unlike evangelical Christianity, which treats women as valuable and treasured members of society… Nah just kidding they are just ambulatory wombs that occasionally make noises as far as the evangelicals are concerned.
I am disgusted by religion, all religions, but let’s not blind ourselves to the reality that when religion is an excuse for shitty behaviour it’s not restricted to a single religion, and its not like getting rid of the religion would remove the shitty behaviour it would just mean coming up with a new justification.
Western chauvinism makes non-whites 2nd class citizens. It’s a guise for enslaving the whole global south. Fuck western chauvinism. Defending it means you don’t value 80% of humans.
DNC=Divide N Conquer
Trump barely beat Harris.
Cuomo got crushed in this primary.
Trump by no means barely beat Harris, she and Clinton were both around 220 votes and Trump has an easy 300.
The electrical college will always look different ways because winner takes all voting. It’s all that matters at the end, but a 1.5% change in the voters would have flipoed most of the battleground states. It was closer than many make it out to be
…60 goddamn percent of the country either voted for Trump, or didn’t vote at all, meaning they voted for Trump. Explain to me how she barely lost.
That’s not even true. Less than 50% of the people who voted, voted for Trump.
He didn’t do much better than 2020 when he lost. The U.S. population increased by 2.5% from 2020 to 2024.
Numerically with the population growing by the 2.5% we saw a 4.5% drop in voting in 2024.
Reasons are all speculation.
The fact that “closer” can be so diametrically opposed indicates a failure in the system.
If it was close we’d have gotten, I don’t know, Mitt Romney or somebody.
But the winner-take-all aspect means we get the dumbest, ugliest fascists ever. Just for a 1.5% difference.
This is what a broken system looks like.
bro trump cheated the second time lmao.
I wonder what all the people who shamed 3rd party voters will say if establishment Democrats start throwing their support behind an independent Cuomo.
This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I’m not and have not been a fan of Harris. She’s still not Trump.
Edit: While I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) it was always true that third party vote was going to help Trump get in, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
I’m not from US, but why not ask for something more than lesser of two evils?
Because that’s what we were given to choose from.
Insert long, tired diatribe about FPTP voting and the US two party system here.
TL;DR: Third party votes were effectively a vote for Trump. And while I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) this was always true, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
Logically, third party votes were only “effectively a vote for Trump” if you assume that otherwise all of them would be votes for the Democrat Party AND that the Democrats could not possibly win without those people sacrificing their vote to a party that doesn’t represent them (i.e. that it would be impossible for the Democrats to appeal to those voters the way politicians are supposed to, by supporting policies that those voters wanted).
As an outsider, it’s painfully obvious that the Democrat Party establishment strategy was to try and get those votes without trying to appeal to those voters using the exactly Propaganda you’re still now parroting, and it failed miserably.
They tried to cheat at representative politics (by wanting the votes without offering representation) and failed (worse, failed when their adversary was a loudmouth buffoon), but you’re blaming those who wouldn’t vote for those who did not at all want to represent them.
Interestingly, Zohran is starting to show that the strategy of appealing to such voters is a winning strategy (in other words that the Democrat Party establishment did not won because of their refusal to represent in any way left of center voters), a proof which will become undeniable if the NY Mayoral race ends up as a three horse race with him, Cuomo and a Republican and he wins.
I’m blaming nobody, I’m recognizing the circumstance. Whether they actually helped him win, or whether they just widened the gap, my one and only assertion is that there was an impact, and of the two viable candidates that impact, to whatever degree it existed, benefited Trump.
Now those fuckers who voted for Trump in 2024? Dead to me. Excommunicado.
If they aren’t on the ballot nationally, its too late.
Because the system is specifically designed to prevent that from happening.
There are 3 years and 11 months many of us spend fighting for that. Then there’s one month where keeping the literal modern nazis out of power requires some unsavory choices.
Zohran won’t have a platform to run on. Trump will just do a Slobodan Milosevic.
Because our elections system is fundamentally broken in such a way that creating or promoting something other than the existing two makes the side you like least more likely to win. As such, unless you can get literally the entire base of one of the major parties to switch to you in the span of a single election cycle, “asking for something more than the lesser of two evils” has mostly the same practical consequences as “asking for the greater evil”.
This largely breaks the premise of democracy, of course, because the two main parties don’t have to follow “the will of the people”, they just have to look slightly better in the eyes of their base than the other party. The way to fix it would be to greatly reform our election system, but that’s difficult to do (admittedly not entirely for bad reasons, it probably would not be ideal for authoritarians to make changes to that for example), and made worse by the fact that both parties benefit from the current system vs one where even more competition can exist.
That latter point means that what it would really take, is first usurping control of one of the existing parties from those that currently run it, and then getting those newcomers into enough power at a national level to get election reform done. That’s not a terribly likely path to work out, I’m afraid, but it’s probably all we’ve got short of an actual violent revolution (which have a high risk of failing or getting co-opted by authoritarians, and in any event are a lot harder to start than some people on the internet seem to think they are). This is probably why the establishment democrats hate this guy so much, despite him only running for mayor (of a large city admittedly, but still, not exactly president or anything). Popular candidates from outside their established group are exactly the kind of thing that you would need to start this process, and if successful that group would lose much of their power.
Because the Americans have an archaic form of democracy that was designed to keep the demos (people) away from the kratos (power) and they also have founding daddy issues keeping them from evolving their archaic system.
That only works when running for president. Running third party in every other election is what we should be doing. Bernie Sanders is a independent. He preached on that but nobody fucking listens. Instead they think we can fix the Democratic Party (we can’t) Like police reform can’t be done.
You have to build something NEW from the ground up. Why every local election we should be running candidates with a new party. One that actually stands for the people. Once we take over all the states. Then and only then do we run for president.
I agree with you for places that have ranked choice.
In states with locked down primaries and a lack of ranked choice, it’s better to run as a dem and win the primary as a dem.
Never work.
If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.
Oh my god I feel this so much.
Did you take a stand and stick to principles? Yes! Congratulations. But if you cannot accept that in doing so, you effectively voted for whatever you felt the majority of votes would go to.
I am related to several people who voted 3rd party, are adamant they did nothing to assist Trump getting elected, but ALSO hold the opinion that congressional members who vote “present” instead of yes or no are cowards hiding behind a “no vote” because they want the majority to win but they don’t want to be on record for it.
What is a 3rd party vote if not “present”?
Lol I say I agree and I get shit on
The problem is that by reinforcing the narrative you reinforce the two party system. Noone believes in a third party so a third party cannot gain critical momentum because of people saying not to believe in a third party.
Repeating this mantra at every point makes it dogmatic to ensure the Democrats not faving any accountability for being a far right party with some gay rights sprinkled in between (but only if these arent inconvenient to uphold).
We have the same issue in proportional systems with a minimum votr to enter parliament. The threshold is lower but the game is the same. The old parties will always band together to fight any new party that could emerge and require them to deal with people they havent brought in line of the donor class yet.
I say Democrats should be reformed in the primary, voted for in the election. The time to support Mamdani as a Democrat is now. (Billionaires like Ackman, Bloomberg aren’t real Republicans or Democrats anyway, they just have a lot of money and they want to back a horse that will let them keep it). The time to bring about a change in Democratic candidates ahead of the midterms (if they happen) and next general is now. In 2~4 years, it will then be time to vote in whoever’s been put forward as the best chance to stop fascism.
The same as before, that you made your choice to hand the White House to trump rather than a Democrat you didn’t agree with. It’s the same story down the ticket too. The Democrats may have run a lousy campaign, with poor candidates, but we all knew what the alternative was, and some ostensably left wing voters chose not to oppose that.
Let’s be real. Roe would not have fallen without Trump. And the erosion of the 3 branch system would not have gotten this far. With DEMs.
But that’s what they do. While eroding the working class through continued subsidies to the rich. It’s why the middle class is dead. Yea, Reagan started that death but the Dems just took their payments and quietly kept things moving, between every Repub term, bringing us to the present state of the billionaire class, lack of middle class, and a country where 60% of the population lives paycheck to paycheck.
The same story down the ticket is that Democrats feel entitled to progressives votes and conitnously adjust to be just slightly better than Republicans.
As you saw they rather handed the country to Trump than stop a genocide and aclnowledge the cost of living crisis.
You have no power to reward people that feel entitled to your vote. You only have the power to punish them.
You didn’t “punish” them in the slightest, they’re not the ones who will suffer, you punished everyone else instead by deliberately acting to boost the republicans.
To be clear, this is not a good, or even acceptable situation, but it is the reality. Each voter had the choice to accept that reality and work within it to seek out the least bad result or vote as if their fantasy was true, and aid the republucans.
The time for trying to change the Democrat positions is every other day, not on the day of a massively consequential election.
Leftists didn’t lose Kamala the election. Leftists held their nose and voted for her haughty ass anyway. She was such an uninspiring candidate that less ideological voters, those that you have to actually try to come out, simply weren’t energized by her.
She didn’t lose because of Leftists staying home. She lost because she was uninspiring and didn’t stand for anything. She simply didn’t have the sauce.
Schumer already did a kind of shy endorsement of Mamdani, after that the others politicians don’t have much room to stab the party in the back. The problem here are the donors; oligarchs are pissed.
My current bet would be that Cuomo will leave his name in the ballot out of spite but not really campaign, and lots of right wing Democrats will stay silent, while the oligarchs will try to resurrect Adams’ political career by throwing money at it (may all their donations burn into a pile of useless ash)
We will say what we have always said: vote for the DNC candidate. Zohran Mamdani.
They’ll say they’re cool with rape. Isnt that what Cuomo is in trouble for?
They were cool with Biden sexually assaulting women, why wouldn’t they be cool with Cuomo being a rapist?
Same people who cancelled Al Franken for much less than any of that.
