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Which European countries are best for software engineers, where most people understand English, and they have an easy enough immigration system for long term work permits ?
Netherlands is best for money I hear, especially for the tax cut you get the first 5 years.
I live in Estonia and it has a nice startup culture, chill atmosphere, and just a great place to live, but salary is peanuts compared to NL unless you work for Wise, Bolt, or one of the 134234234 online casino providers. CoL is of course much lower than western Europe, but still much higher than it should be at the salary level here. But software engineers easily make 2-3x median salary, with 5-7x median salary not out of the realm of possibility at high-end positions in high-end companies. So you won’t be strapped for cash if you’re good.
I’ve heard Ireland is good. No idea of how true that is, but they do speak English, if reluctantly.
That said, the actual Irish language is rather melodic, and learning it is a fun project.
Is X the new swastika?
$ man ascii | awk '/X$/ {print $7}' 88It’s actually XYZ
X is the American fascists
Z are the Russian fascists
Y is what you keep asking
Yes.
Que Wierd Al- “Dare to be stupid”
US will make Europe great again lmao
Gather up your queens and kings. Time to make some more!
Not in America. Here, anyone can be a total asshole billionaire and purchased the entire country’s political system if they so want.
Feels bad to realize your profession isn’t particularly useful outside of the U.S. I’d like to stay and fight regardless, but the reality is if I stop being able to get my meds there won’t be much I can do besides being fodder.
Out of curiosity, what is your profession?
You probably don’t want that answer.
Medical billing/insurance/something?
You slather Donald trump in orange make up?
goddammit my beverage is supposed to be in my stomach, not on my screen!
never occurred to me how close x is to the swastika :)
$ man ascii | awk '/X$/ {print $7}' 88B = 66 I = 73 L = 76 L = 76 G = 71 A = 65 T = 84 E = 69 S = 83 I = 1 I = 1 I = 1 Total = 666
Though that one didn’t age as well, he’s a pretty nice guy these days.
he’s a pretty nice guy these days.
Probably to not get beheaded when someone finally starts working down the Epstein buddy list. Plus I hear the whole philanthropy thing was Melinda’s idea anyway.
Ye a swastica is an X with extra steps
Please please, also run to Canada, were closer by
Or just. Everyone stop running please. When does the running stop? You eventually have to make a stand somewhere it’s either you or future generations paying this price. If you benefited enough to get out, stay and help others do the same.
If Einstein did this he would’ve died in the Holocaust.
Right. Well. Good thing you’re not Einstein or a Jewish person in Nazi Germany, or I would not have advised you to stay. Such a straw man, avoiding responsibility even in your arguments.
stay and do what? scientist cant get funding or jobs, when its being systemically attacked? scientists have always been cognizant and smart enough to go where they can have a chance of a normal life. you’re basically saying a jewish person should stay and fight nazis in ww2. the only ones that are staying are to naive to leave.
So when do you stop running
When you break a leg and they put you down.
What?
Horses are often thought of as symbols of running wild/ free/ fast. They are also often euthanized when they break a leg.
I’m worried that if there’s war you guys will be affected as well. Running further seems more reasonable.
I think I’d go to China if I could. I feel like the US is gonna fuck over it’s allies first.
So you’ll be conditioning yourself ahead of time?
As someone that supports Palestine I think my odds are significantly less likely of getting black bagged in China than in the US.
US just making people disappear without due-process right now but western brain still thinks “China is the real dystopia”
Read about the plight of the Uyghurs in China. If you support the Muslims in China, you will end up in a CCP sponsored mobile organ donor chop bus.
In the US making people disappear without due process is news, in China it’s a daily occurrence.
Yeah. But the difference in China is the people that get disappeared are billionaires that started criticisming the government too much. Id rather we disappear some billionaires here. Instead of brown people protesting a genocide.
china loves westerners, its good pr and propaganda for them.
unironically, the best PR for China recently was Rednote when TikTok was gonna be banned. Literally just Americans and Chinese people on the same social media platform was pretty fun. Lots of light hearted shit from both countries people for a week.
You have a highly idealistic perspective on China. This isn’t to say that things are lerfect in Europe or North America - they most definitely aren’t. But it is to say that two things can be true at the same time, i.e., there are growing issues in the West and China has a highly oppressive regime.
There is a natural temptation to whitewash and exxagerate the good in other times and places, especially ones that are directly juxtaposed to the one you are inhabiting and are critical toward.
However, we must resist these temptations lest we doom ourselves to repeat the same mistake over and over.
It’s just if you say a single thing positive about China that you get 20 replies about tank man or reeducation camps. No one cares to have a conversation about the thing you said about China they just spew state department talking points.
It’s like if I said something about the US being pretty good with gay rights (for now at least) and then people started saying: Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, MOVE bombing, George Floyd, GITMO, etc.
But you are the only reasonable reply here. I don’t disagree with much of what you said. I just think the backlash to saying anything positive about China while the US is literally going full 1939 is just completely disconnected. More so than any China idealizing would ever be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Peng_Shuai
She stopped existing in 30 min.
She didn’t disappear mate. She’s made several public appearances since. Literally read the article. She just disappeared from social media. There is no evidence she was “taken”.
Was she censored heavily upon making accusations? Absolutely. But censored is not “being disappeared”. Do you think this is the same as taking people to a prison in another country with zero due process?
Never heard of the Xinjiang concentration camps? In China it’s also mostly brown people who criticize the government who are disappeared, the billionaires are the exceptions that make the news.
The USA might be getting worse, but it’s still a far cry from China.
One ended up with the displacement of scientists and academics, the other, with soydevs and dei loonies with BS degrees in social sciences.
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That is indeed what scientist look like to science deniers
Chud: “Dei killed science, i want real science done”
Scientist: " Can i have money to study cancer "
Chud: “Lol fuck off , trans mice , gay frogs , cmemicals in water”
the funding is exactly like that, needs funding, but said “funders, dont want to admit that it is a human caused issue,”
Smoking , oil industry and clinate change , sugar industry and fat … its a bit of capitalism problem imo
How are you this disconnected?
It’s a gift
*grift
You certainly aren’t wrong there.
FAFO
Don’t think you white folk don’t realise Europe has no real power anymore and shifting to facism. America has military hegemony, but not science or manufacturing, and again falling to facism and corporations.
Real power is moving to where stuff is getting made and leaving thode with bullshit over inflation like Tesla, or many other stocks. The current center of economic power has moved closer and closer to where it was 500 years ago.
Ayyyy. Some good ol’ Chinese shill. On our Lemmy. What an amazing day to be alive.
The EU has the second biggest economy in the world and contains 3 of the G7 nations (4 if you include the UK, which will almost certainly pivot back to EU membership in the next few years). All member states are part of NATO and France, Germany and the UK possess a significant nuclear arsenal.
But yeh, no real power.
PS 500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
Germany doesn’t have its own nukes yet. The nukes in Germany are operated by the US.
500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
Ps, you’re so confidently wrong. 1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
Here’s a nice graphic to make it easy for your Eurocentric mind to comprehend
second biggest economy
Bud how put of date your knowledge is? You from the 90s? Name the top 5 in order of GDP? Go ahead. Please. I know you’re speaking of Germany but please try and back it up it in 2025 that they are the second biggest economy lmao
Also is Europe getting richer, is American or European manufacturing improving? No, it’s going towards china, towards India, towards Africa. Europe became rich because of hundreds of years of exploitation and another 100 years of soft power to ensure cheap resources than be taken to Europe/America, produce high quality and sent back. Problem is, the world is now able to do a lot of it itself and Asia can make everything it needs and give to all other Asian and African Nations.
Military threat, yeah, 100% that’s all Europe has, that’s how you become rich was bombing and exploiting others. But the suprise factor is gone, nobody trusts you guys, look at the trade map, you think you’re gonna challenge this?
1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
that is a fascinating map; i noticed that despite making projections about 2025 the date of that post is actually 2012; Business Insider attributes it to McKinsey, but via ZeroHedge (who charges for access to their archives).
I wanted more context so I spent a few minutes searching; in case anyone else is curious it comes from a report called “Urban world: Cities and the rise of the consuming class” by McKinsey Global Institute.
Here is their summary of it, and here is the 92 page PDF of the full report.
here is MGI's 'economic center of gravity' methodology
The center of gravity analysis is based on country-level historical estimates from Angus Maddison for the period AD 1 until 2007, and country-level growth rates from Cityscope 2.0 until 2025. We then allocated each country’s GDP value to the approximate center of landmass of the respective country. The same center of each country was used throughout the entire time frame. To calculate the global center of gravity, landmass radian coordinates were transformed into Cartesian coordinates with a tool from the UK Ordnance Survey that uses ED50/ UTM data and projection (see www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps). We then transformed these coordinates into respective momentums and averaged these to a true economic center of gravity for each year, located within the sphere of the earth. To illustrate the shift of gravity, we lengthened the vectors from the center of the earth to the center of gravity so that they lie on the earth’s surface. Although the concept of “surfacing” might create problems for interpreting data, both the resulting direction and the magnitude of the surfaced shifts were directionally consistent with the internal shifts, too. The four periods with the fastest shift, 2000–10, 1940–50, and 2010–25, maintain the same rank order, while the 1500–1820 period ranks 11th on surface but eighth on the “true” center of gravity.
here is what they say about ~500 years ago
Until 1500, Asia was the center of gravity of the world economy, accounting for roughly two-thirds of global GDP. But in the 18th and 19th centuries, urbanization and industrialization vaulted Europe and the United States to prominence. We are now observing a decisive shift in the balance back toward Asia—at a speed and on a scale never before witnessed. China’s economic transformation resulting from urbanization and industrialization is happening at 100 times the scale of the first country in the world to urbanize—the United Kingdom—and at ten times the speed (Exhibit E2).
but wait, where did they get that GDP data from?
They actually cite Angus Maddison’s Monitoring the World Economy 1820–1992 which doesn’t sound like something that goes to AD 1. It looks like Maddison also published The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective (currently only a limited preview on archive.org) in 2001, which this reproduces Appendix B of - which seems like probably their source:
World GDP, 20 Countries and Regional Totals, 1-2001 AD
I’m not sure how Geary–Khamis dollars (“a hypothetical unit of currency that has the same purchasing power parity that the U.S. dollar had in the United States at a given point in time”) are supposed to work for time periods prior to the existence of the United States, but i think I’ve spent enough time on this rabbit hole for now :)
Bravo on that deep dive, and thank you.
I know you’re speaking of Germany
Nope, they very clearly said The EU and not Germany, which is accurate. The EU is behind the US and in front of China in GDP, firm second place.
What’s up with .ml users being shit with reading comprehension?
They’re obviouslt just spitting vitriol in response what is perceived as a threat to their identity. Which apparently is the notion that someone somewhere might beattempting to live free and joyously while also being reflexive about past mistakes.
The audacity of those darned European! If I’m not happy, then nobody should!
The Ottoman Empire would like to have a word with you.
So many Euro simps on Lemmy. It’s like a circle jerk for Europe on here for some reason. Which is kinda proving your own point around the growing fascism (Nationalism) in Europe. This time it seems to be Fascism fueled by a “European” identity alongside a “German or Italian” identity. Though state nationalism is growing it seems to be growing along with EU nationalism.
It’s very much fueled by anti immigrant (primarily anti Arab) sentiment. The most obvious of which is Germany. A country that has a national identity built around guilt for the Holocaust but at the same time pretending that they have some unobtainable (by others) perspective on Antisemitism. Which ironically is fueling modern day Antisemitism against Arabs in Germany.
Germany is literally repeating it’s antisemitic past by blindly supporting Israel and blaming Arab immigrants for all its problems. Literally supporting a Jewish Supremacists Ethnostate that models much of Nazi Germany in it’s oppression of Palestine.
Germany is just an example. But a lot of Europe (Poland being another strong example) is absolutely diving head first into the fascist pool. I don’t see how anyone paying attention could disagree with much of what you said.
Edit: Downvoted but not a single reply addressing anything I said. Enjoy your Fascism Europe. You’re going the same way as the US whether you are opening your eyes to it or not.
You sure as hell cherry pick as much as you desire don’t you?
We don’t simp for Europe.
We are Europe.
Stop thinking the world revolves around you bud.
I just keep getting replies like this with zero substance. Just Europeans saying “I’m wrong”. Enlighten me. In what way did I think the world revolved around me? I literally was just talking about actual things happening in Europe. Seriously, tell me what part of my comment was at all self centered? Sounds like you’re just projecting.
Also, yeah, you can be a European simp AND be European. They often go hand in hand. That and hating Arabs and Eastern Europeans. All these substanceless replies are just proving my point of European supremacy and nationalism that is exploding in the EU.
How dare I point out the racism of Germany and it’s support for genocide. How dare I! I’m so self centered!
Careful, your complexes are overspilling.
Germany and Poland are two of your examples. Are there any other examples? Please, anyone reply with as many real examples as you can and want. I think Italy is one? Please confirm. 🥲
Go back to reddit ffs :D
Heim ins
ReichBundesrepublikJust give a year or two and brains will be fleeing EU also
Where, though? Moon?
They are smart aren’t they
Why would they?
Here in Germany, we will have a conservative government at best and a fascist one at worst. AFD is at 20% at national levels, and locally they are winning in the East, which I, naive and wrongly motivated as I was, moved to from merry Bavaria.
The CDU is no where near as bad as the Republicans
I’m German too. We should built a wall and make the Ossis pay for it… Wait a second 🤔.
I’d say we are in an odd position. I don’t know when you last attended a PhD ceremony, but in engineering, over half were foreigners. The US already had a brain drain, by not producing top notch scientists and engineers. This is only exacerbating the issue.
Where are these PhD ceremonies you are attending? If they are in the US, wouldn’t that mean that the US is producing these scientist? Also, engineering isn’t exactly the kind of field where people stick around in academia getting doctorate degrees.
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They skipped the part where after the war we took the nazi scientists too…
But the old nazis were really into science, modern nazis not so much.
I don’t think other countries are going to be chasing our science deniers like we chased rocket and medical scientists after the war.
modern nazis not so much
“Best we can offer is video gaming and saying slurs online.”
Operation Paperclip
You don’t think Europe wants our 19 year old whiz kids whose laptops overheat from processing excel files?
I think the big disconnect with that is government laptops…
If someone told me their government laptop caught fire when they joined a Teams call where two people had a camera on. I’d believe them.
But no government employee will tell you a story like that, because it is completely unremarkable and expected. It’s like a Park Ranger of 15 years losing his shit when he saw a squirrel…
If you’re used to using a gaming laptop to edit text files and suddenly you have to use a shitty $300 government issue laptop, it’s going to shock you.
But the solution to that is funding the government. I’m not a big Obama guy, but at least he gave agencies money for laptops. trump and Biden love cutting corners though, which just translates to paying people to watch a screen scroll by slower because of a slow laptop.
My CPU was mid range when I bought it five years ago and I use it process a 300gb+ database of price history. My day job is working jupyter notebooks hosted on raspberry pis. Not being able to process a 60000 row database is definitely a skill issue. Bad hardware should encourage good software.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re idiots.
But people are drastically underestimating how shitty government laptops are.
But what do I know? What’s decades of direct experience when someone online has a Jupiter laptop?!
Clearly you know more than anyone who actually deals with it
Speaking of, it’s my mom’s b’day coming up, you clearly know more than me so what would a thoughtful and bespoke gift be?
The issue with your comments are not how bad government laptops are.
The issue seems to be you don’t understand how little work processing even a million rows is.
Yeah. Who needs decades of experience when people on the internet know better?
Not like it’s ironic people people are doing the same thing Elon is or anything…
Dude, I have fucking decades of experience. Enough to know that you’re full of shit.
Like … Some stranger on the internet claiming absolutely stupid shit, and solely coming back to an argument based solely on self-reported authority. Self-reported authority that is obviously a lie based upon your claim.
Mate, I’ve worked with government computers. A dacade old, take a half hour to boot up, a lag time of a few minutes to open files. The problem with what Elon’s “expert” said is that 1. 60k rows of data is nothing, even for a computer like that. It wouldn’t fail on that much data, even on decade-old computers. And 2. If something were to fail on that computer, it wouldn’t be that the hard drive overheated. Even if the hard drive got hot, it would just slow things down, not prevent data access or stop a query.
My personal guess is this: The kid started a query on a table of a few million records. Not a lot, but enough to make a very poorly optimized query take a decent bit of ttime to run on trash hardware. Most databases put timeouts on connections as to not let a runaway query run forever. I’m guessing that after like, 20 minutes or so (pretty high for a cutoff, but if they are expecting garbage computers to be running these queries it could make sense) it times out, returning the partial result of the query. “Expert” thinks that his laptop overheated because the laptop is in fact hot.
Get her a Thinkpad with 64 GB of ram and a server-class CPU that blasts enough heat to make the laptop hover. That’s what I had the last time I worked on a project for the government. Company took it back though 😞
Flowers, her favorite unless her favorite is roses then go for something nice and in season. If you have the time bake her homemade cookies as well.
Idk. If it’s your mum that you take after, you can get her nothing and let her make the excuses for your failure.
I don’t think other countries are going to be chasing our science deniers like we chased rocket and medical scientists after the war.
Well…hopefully they’ll get chased. Just not for the same reasons.
I hope this is true, with the attacks on science in the US, we’re really looking at falling backward here. I’m afraid we’ll lose good weather forecasting and GPS services very soon, to just name the low hanging fruit.
its true in some sense, if the pay goes out the window for scientist they will flee. theres already problems in the us getting people from undergrad to PHD(thats besides the current attack on it). such as wet lab work prior to graduation, plus who can even apply to grad school, if you dont have barely just to be under the requirements of grad schools. job prospects is low.
also grad school is more expensive since its not considered undergrad courses, and they charge more and you get no priority in classes. the biggest is wet lab work, where do you find it, catch 22
“intelligent people” are usually the first ones to be jailed or killed, and then they move on to blame POCs, and than other minorities.
They ‘other’ the educated very early with calling them ‘elite’ or ‘liberal’, then attack from there.
If only there was something the American people could do about this.
But they’re holding signs up‽
That’s how Americans exercise their 2nd amendment outside of their schools.
You really don’t want us pulling out the ammo box. There’s a good reason we are still trying the soap and jury boxes. Every single time we pull out the ammo box, as a people, the entire world is affected. We don’t really like that.
If you wear a pink shirt, it shows you’re extra super serious.
1945-1959: Same as 1930s but the scientist guy is also a Nazi (and Hitler has a bullet hole lmao)
