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    I’m going to be honest, I’m suspicious of every single ‘pedophile hunter’. They are going after a demographic that people will not rush to defend, even if innocent.

    Also, these ‘hunters’ probably have something shady going on in their own lives, and this is some form of projection that they also profit off of.

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      I wouldn’t even be surprised if a bunch of them are pedophiles themselves. Projection and such.

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      In Norway last year we had a case where 5 16-19 yo set up a sextrap for a guy in his 40s.

      The teens claimed he’s a pedo, beat him, filmed it and posted it online.

      All of the “pedohunters” involved were found guilty on all accounts. The guy is free and getting a big pay out from the teens.

      It’s really unfortunate, but these kinds of people aren’t in it to prevent child abuse. They’re in it for themselves.

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      100%.

      There is an old trope about arsonists, they either become criminals or they become firefighters.

      At least with firefighters, we don’t have to worry about if the firefighter is going to get the fire in a room alone later.

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        There are cases of arsonist fire fighters which is an even stronger analogy.

        Those who claim to fight fires are often the ones setting them, so they can be seen as the heroes who extinguish them.

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          Really good point and in cases like this we should all be a lot more concerned with people who seem obsessive about a given subject. It’s not a coincidence that so many crackpot Q-anon “save the children from the demon vampires” nutcases were actually themselves pedos who were caught, or that Q-anon STARTED on a pedophile message board.

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              8-chan was a “less moderated” version of 4-chan where the founders of Q-anon got started, it was a notorious forum for trading child abuse material.

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      Also, the almost universal knee-jerk response that we have as a society broadly to child predation makes a helluva mask for trampling on the rights of others and making a scapegoat that will be condemned in the public court long before any charges are brought up. The absolute ease and temptation of creative editing and a thirst for views can make the producers of this content work harder to portray events out-of-context.

      I’m sure there are plenty of actual predators who are worried about being hit with a sting, but I have seen more than a handful clips of these rogue pedo-hunters going after like, 21-year-old boys and their 17-year-old girlfriends, and people who looked genuinely confused and seemed railroaded into meeting someone.

      I know this message will never stick with the wildly reactionary and emotional viewership who needs to hear it, but we make vigilantism illegal for a damn good reason, and just because Dateline managed to stay above the waterline for the most part, that doesn’t mean some operation of randos you know nothing about on youtube have both the best intentions and the legal acumen to actually make a difference. They may well be making the problem worse by setting up situations where stings against child predators could become outlawed.

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      I see it as people wanting to commit righteous violence. People have violent impulses, but we usually control them. Some people with extraordinary violent tendencies go looking for a place where it’s “okay” to let them loose. This is not the only example.

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      I’m going to be honest, I’m suspicious of every single ‘pedophile hunter’. They are going after a demographic that people will not rush to defend, even if innocent.

      Exactly. They’re violent & hateful peple who found a way to justify it.

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      Normal healthy people don’t plan to commit violent offenses on other people, unless there is a direct connection to the 3rd parties actions. Hunting people they have no connection to for fame and fortune is sickening.

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        There is an excessive usage of the word ‘hunting’. What all those people are doing is admitting that they consider people as animals, or an “acceptable” way of harassment. And just like people who where in the kkk they don’t care who that person is, but that they’re the most vulnerable minority.

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      I’m going to be honest, I’m suspicious of every single ‘pedophile hunter’

      I find it suspicious that they dont just go for the low hanging priest fruit in the catholic church… this does seem to be a largely religious group of people who conveniently ignore this behavior from their own kind.

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        The problem is, they are going for low hanging fruit by targeting unknowns with little to no representation.

        Catholic priests have the full force of the Catholic Church to protect them from legal attacks that some dinky YouTuber will not be able to combat.

        Also, Catholic priests do not need to go on dating apps or websites where they could potentially get lured because they are most likely targeting the children in their parish, under their direct control.

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      This type of people exist in every generation, whether forming a mob to enforce segregation or engaging in pogroms.

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    Vigilantes taking the law into their own hands with violence is always a sign of a healthy society. It also never leads to tragedy.

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      I’m completely with you on this, and I’m surprised your comment is so highly voted because this community is quick to endorse vigilantism. Just the other day I was scrolling through a thread full of comments about how a guy who was arrested should have been more brutally assaulted by an angry mob.

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        Vigilantism is just a sign that government has become too corrupt to deal with problems effectively. It can be good or evil, it can be effective or a complete nightmarish excuse to get rid of hated minorities or people the majority simply fell out of favor with.

        But if you’re a victim under that corrupt government, it’s the only solution you have, so its hard not to cheer. No one is shedding tears for torched tesla’s in dealerships or the dead ceo Saint Luigi was framed for killing.

        Its just harder to trust and justify clout chasers attacking essentially random people they themselves labeled with a crime that no one can reasonably defend themselves against.

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          Vigilantism is just a sign that government has become too corrupt to deal with problems effectively.

          Or a sign that government is the problem as politicians resort more to divisiveness, hatred, bigotry and scapegoating to capture more extreme voters. Politicians stoke the outrage, inflame some groups against others, call for ending the rights of those they’ve marginalized, and even pardon those who committed treason in the name of fake vigilantism, based on manipulation and misrepresentation

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          Vigilantism is just a sign that government has become too corrupt

          There was a lot of vigilantism during Reconstruction because the government was NOT corrupt.

          But if you’re a victim under that corrupt government, it’s the only solution you have, so its hard not to cheer. No one is shedding tears for torched tesla’s in dealerships or the dead ceo Saint Luigi was framed for killing.

          When the political and judicial systems are riddled with corruption, rough justice might be the only justice for some kinds of crime.

          Its just harder to trust and justify clout chasers

          If they’re paid by the click, they’re part of the problem, not the solution.

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    In Austria the ‘pedophile hunters’ targeted gay men who were not pedophiles. If ‘pedophile hunters’ would actually care about their cause, they would storm the next church…

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      This is obviously where this is going and it’s a big part why they’re obsessed with labeling people “groomers.”

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    Pedo accusations don’t come from concerns for kids but from enpowerement to do violence and the ability to righteously attack.

    This inversion from concern for others to desire to cause harm through paranoia derived justifications is becoming a real problem.

    If someone steps in to stop them attacking the innocent they will claim those people are defending pedos.

    We’re going to have the stupidest of wars on our hands.

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      This.

      Plus it’s self defeating. Too often when they find real predators, the evidence is tainted by the way it was collected by idiots who have no idea what they’re doing.

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        Yea, all of that is not admissible in court too. And they often end up attacking innocent people, additionally it labels them a pedo so, they instantly get fired, lose their wives, children, friends,etc

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          Eyup, I remember this one guy this dude found who was insanely guilty. Was not only in a “relationship” with a child, but was trying to get him to do cocaine.

          The pedo-hunter who was onto him decided the best thing to do wasn’t to call the cops, but to harass him in a target and make a scene. So much so that the Target staff thought the hunter, not the pedo, was the criminal.

          Police were called and they wound up arresting the pedo upon realizing the situation, but due to the harassment, the way the evidence was collected, and all that…

          The only thing they could get him on was a traffic violation when the pedo was driving away from the Target.

          My advice for people is this - Don’t be a pedo-hunter, while it is noble that you wanna fight back against the cruelty of the world… The truth is you’re going to wind up doing more harm than good unless you know EXACTLY what you’re doing. If you let your anger control how you do investigations, you’re not that much different from the killer cops that butcher the innocent.

          Especially since sex crimes are ones where the mere accusation is enough to ruin people’s lives. I should know, I was nearly expelled at my Community College because a guidance consular blanket accused me of attacking a woman at her car. It was luck, a phone call to her boss, playing the autism card, and calling the bluff… asking her to prove the attack, provide witnesses, show me the police report, and she basically dropped everything and apologized when she couldn’t. And I knew she couldn’t, because I do not attack people, Hell, I have the muscle mass of Melvin Junko BEFORE he became the Toxic Avenger, even if I wanted to I’d just get my ass beat.

          Later she tried it again over me using a female restroom as a transwoman, thankfully this was after Obama amended Title IX to cover transpeole so I once again had an Uno Reverse card. So I just got a call from her boss telling me to use whatever restroom I wanted and to ignore her.

          I don’t know what’s wrong with that person or why she was so hellbent on getting me kicked out of school, but… I think of her a lot, not only because she traumatized me with her false accusations, but because thanks to her, I do know that false accusations do indeed happen, and sometimes they come from powerful people.

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            i forgot to mention some sites publically will list people who have exposed themselves, or pedos, i assume its a law that allows that, and thats how they find it. i happened to stumble a forum for specific cities, and they have a "pedo-map, like google map destinations.

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      There’s a reason an insane number of the people who publicly attack pedophillia are in fact pedophiles.

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        That too, but also some have been not to be pedos, I doubt these influencers will reveal the ones they attacked are not one,.bum

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        I assumed it was because they are so sloppy, they use it in any disagreement “you’re either with us or you’re a pedophile !” much in the same way we often here “don’t call everyone a Nazi” Do we see many Nazi calling each other Nazi in anger and in a derogatory manner ?

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      It’s basically the same motivation as people who have a gun and are itching for the apocalypse so they can loose the safeties.

      Even saying that it’s righteous violence is ascribing positive motivations that may not exist. They’re just looking for someone to attack, and an alleged paedophile is a socially acceptable target to unleash that violence on.

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      We’re going to have the stupidest of wars on our hands.

      Finally, my decades of stupid training will pay off!

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    There’s one more angle to this - apart from the raise in vigilante violence and messing up with police operations which both are very valid.

    Just as we stopped getting TV feeds constantly equating pedophiles to child molesters, those guys stepped in to fill the void.

    Pedophiles are not inherently child molesters. This kind of equation is not only wrong, it also adds to promoting dangerous behaviors among them.

    Plenty of pedophiles will never abuse a single child, knowing full well it is dangerous and harmful for minors to be engaged in such relationships. However, the more we equate pedophiles to predators, the more people, especially in the emotionally vulnerable groups like teen pedophiles, will actually accept themselves in this role. Among those who stands against this anyway, plenty will become suicidal, not seeing an option to live a non-offending life.

    Current methods of therapy aimed at reducing child abuse rates go very strongly on this - pedophiles should face message of them not being inherently dangerous, not the message of them being an immediate and imminent danger. Not only this is scientifically correct, it is actually useful in making these people safer for others.

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      That’s an interesting and reasonable take.
      I’m actually surprised you are not down voted to oblivion!

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      The pedophiles being attacked are actively hunting, otherwise, they wouldn’t be caught in a trap…

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        Some of these “pedo hunter” groups have attacked completely innocent people where the accusation of someone being a pedo was completely unsubstantiated. This is the problem with monetizing vigilantism: It creates a demand, and if that demand is not being met by a supply of actual criminals, then it will be filled by vigilantes criminalizing innocent people.

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          How does one get “tricked” into meeting a child for sex, and then show up?

          I’ve never been tricked into meeting a child for a sexual encounter…

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            From the article: “In October, students at Assumption University in Massachusetts allegedly lured a 22-year-old man to campus, called him a predator and chased and attacked him when he tried to escape, according to a police report. After reviewing the man’s Tinder messages, officers said the man had thought he was meeting an 18-year-old student, not a 17-year-old, as the students had alleged.”

            Thats how. You lie.

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            You are working under the assumption that these “pedo hunter” groups are all acting in good faith and on good information. I encourage you to do some reading. There are many cases where these groups pretend to be 18 year olds, lure an unsuspecting person into a meeting, and then lie to their audience about the age they originally claimed to be online, as Xatolos has pointed out.

            Lots of them do it to lure in and attack LGBTQ+ folks, while others act on false accusations they receive from third parties:

            Innocent dad tortured and killed by group of chainsaw-wielding ‘paedophile hunters’
            A gang of vigilantes tortured and killed a father of eight as they tried to force a confession out of him for crimes he didn’t commit.
            The case of the brutal torture and murder of Bradley ‘BJ’ Lyons, which shook Australia in December 2018, is once again under the spotlight as a jury has brought to justice the gang leader, Albert Thorn, and some of his mates who helped during the hideous attack.
            Mr Lyons was referred to the gang by his wife Jana Hooper, who had falsely accused her husband of sexually assaulting two of her teenage daughters.
            Thorn, the leader of the vigilante gang with a specific hatred for paedophiles, was found guilty this month of the torture, imprisonment and murder of Mr Lyons. Later this year, he will face a pre-sentence hearing.
            Two other members of the gang who took part in the ordeal, Jordan Bottom and Rikki Smith, were found not guilty last week of the killing of the father.

            And I can’t tell you how many times they just straight up confront the wrong person. Here’s one example, and here’s another, here’s one more, and here’s yet another.

            These are not professionals. They are YouTubers looking for fame and relying on outrage and violence to get it, and they all-too-often don’t care who gets hurt or killed in the process.

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        Sure, but shows of this kind commonly imply that all pedophiles are child abusers and all child abusers are pedophiles, neither of which is true - and such equations have real-world negative implications.

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          In practice, I don’t see how I would even know someone is a pedophile if they didn’t act on their inclinations. I guess they could publicly declare it but that seems unwise.

          I would be concerned if the Internet vigilantes ran with unsubstantiated rumors, like if say Elon musk just called someone a pedophile or of the blue.

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            This is one of the most problematic parts about vigilante justice and why it should be gone for good, regardless of what they are trying to achieve.

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            Nope, I’m not getting there. Sure, ephebophilia is a thing, and so is hebephilia, but in a given context there’s no point in this distinction.

            I’m only saying that many cases of child abuse do not involve pedophiles/hebephiles/ephebophiles/whatever. Children are the easiest to take advantage of, and this is what drives quite a few hypersexual non-pedophiles to become child abusers despite not being predominantly attracted to children/minors to begin with.

            Regardless of reasons, whoever abuses children deserves punishment - although I would much prefer for the police, not vigilantes, to be involved in it.

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                Alright bud, you went too far into angry trolling territory.

                Gosh, what .today has become these days…

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                  Cops are well known to be rapists, ignore rapists, and even protect rapists. Not to mention the rampant domestic violence they engage in.

                  Why would you assume cops have any interests in punishing their cohort?

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      Not only that, but it both reduces the chance of someone going to get help, because they don’t want to be hunted down, and reporting, because someone who knows of them might not want to see them be lynched, and won’t report them for that reason.

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      There’s no such thing as a “non-harmful” pedofile.

      Either you’re actively molesting children (yes…even teens), or you’re consuming the CP that is the result of OTHER people abusing children by forcing them to participate and worse.

      You don’t get to say “its not repulsive to consume the product as long as youre not a creator of it”. Consuming the end result is still participating in it.

      I can’t believe that even has to be pointed out.

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    Oh. They’re just gonna call people pedo and attack them even though they’re not. It’s extremely obvious.

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      Or very likely make mistakes. Vigilantes is nice in comic books and movies, in real life it turns terrible very quickly.

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      Sad because actual paedos gonna be like “who, not me, someone cried wolf on me!”… As someone who was trafficked and abused with my sister and then even after she got out, I’ve heard them laugh about paedos caught in the news and act like they’re not exactly that. Meanwhile the people who actually hurt me stayed or died free because you also see on the news how false accusations ruin innocent people’s lives, so it feels like what we say as real victims not only doesn’t matter but will be ignored because sexism is back full-swing and they prefer us women to be seen and not heard once again like the old days. I wish patriarchal societies weren’t hell-bent on using and ending women and children to justify their means of global blackmail control.

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    I’d make a guess they’re getting violent because the legal system can’t do anything with their compromised evidence. Instead of realizing they’re not the people qualified to do this work, they’re just doubling down and “handling it themselves.”

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      They’re experiencing positive re-enforcement when they get violent with the people they’ve intrapped. They’re getting more violent because they want more of the positive online feedback they’ve been getting.

      There is no lofty thought process about justice.

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      They’re getting more violent because they’re getting more views when they get violent.

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      I don’t know how it works in the US, and it’s certainly not perfect, but if you bring “compromised” evidences of actual child abuse, you can be sure it’ll trigger some extensive investigation. Sometimes, this leads to nothing. Sometimes, the “evidences” were not really evidence, but more of a hunch. Sometimes, it leads to actual consequences.

      One issue with such a vigilante system is that sometimes, you’re wrong. That’s why due process is a thing. But the “this evidence was collected illegally, so we won’t even look up the guy” thing isn’t really a thing, as long as the evidence is better than “I’m sure of it”.

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      Well honestly it seems they may be the most qualified to do this work at this point then

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        You got down voted but all we need to check is how catholic church has been given a blank check for what they do…

        Fuck them. I won’t cry when pedo priest is given justice.

        This clown regime think they can just put something like that under the rug 🤡

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    This is a symptom. If police won’t do it’s job there will be some guys who will take it into their own hands. The problem is they have even less oversight than police.

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      Pedophile hunting is among several vigilante movements in the United States. Groups in the South try to catch alleged drug smugglers at the border; others monitor local crime. The new wave of pedophile hunters stands out for adopting the social media influencer model, using real-life violence to build a following online.

      This is about clout chasing and being violent monsters

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        They can deflect doubt because they are hunting pedophiles.

        “You wouldn’t defend a pedophile now, would you?” - clout chasing violence monger

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          And if you haven’t found any pedophiles yet, well, I guess you’re not trying hard enough. Or maybe… you are one of them… 😠

          Can’t believe this needs an /s

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        And if anyone calls them out on it, they’re immediately branded as “pedophile sympathizers” if not actual pedophiles themselves. So, not only do they get to be violent monsters, saying that they shouldn’t commit horrible violence without any sort of legal oversight (or at all, really) makes YOU the bad guy!

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      Is that really the only problem you see with people taking justice into their own hands? Less oversight?

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        The problem is what if they mistake somebody for the wrong person? That’s enough to destroy an innocent persons life.

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          That’s not the only problem. They’re making content, so finding “the right person” will inevitably be less important than finding a person. Can’t fall out of the Almighty Algorithm’s favor, amirite?

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            So … What you’re saying, it’s that there would be less oversight when it comes to choosing their targets. Almost exactly like OP said. Almost like they were speaking in broad strokes and you failed to notice any nuance.

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                Honestly? I just don’t really like that reddit behaviour of regurgitating the previous person’s comment and passing it off as your own unique idea, that’s all.

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                  I took a general comment and said something very specific. What you saw as dual meaning, I saw as one. OP did not make their intended meaning clear.

                  Maybe we can be better than Reddit and be more charitable with each other here, yeah?

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        When they go after the wrong person, yes. When they decide to both be the police, judge and executioner, yes.

        But if the judiciary system doesn’t do it’s work, what do you expect.

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          Even if the judiciary system in your country doesn’t do its work, people taking justice in their own hands is a fundamentally bad thing for a society. I don’t pity predators if they get what they deserve, but I pity the society that suddenly has to define boundaries - where do you draw the line? Not all cases are clear cut. Not everyone operates on the same set of morals.

          Example: Religious zealots really do believe that abortions kill children. If society doesn’t categorically forbid people to take justice into their own hands but goes “well, in this case, we can all understand”, you will have other people acting in ways they perceive as equally justifiable. And then abortion doctors get murdered.

          The users who downvoted me don’t seem to have this understanding, they would rather have revenge. If you people don’t understand that self-justice will ultimately lead to a more violent society, then go ahead, downvote me again. You’re the reason your country isn’t a more civilized place, wherever you live.

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          I can assure you that the judiciary system in my country does work. It’s just that these people either a. just want to beat someone up and need an excuse, or b. don’t agree with our laws and think it should be prison time for a 18 year old who wants to date a 16 year old, or a 21 year old who wants to date a 17 year old.

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        Disproportionate punishment is another of course. They probably lump pedophiles (a person with a psychiatric disorder) and child molesters (a person that actually harms children) into the same group and you deserve to die for simply thinking the wrong things.

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          They lump far more people into the same group. They attack anyone whom they think they can, even if they know that their accusations are BS.

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    This is part of the reason why casual accusations of pedophilia have always disturbed me. Because it can lead even people who in most other circumstances would be considered pro-justice and pro-human rights into mini-Mengeles.

    And I’ve seen people just throw out the accusation without even prompt or justification, just because they hate somebody (maybe for other good reasons) and want to see if it sticks. It’s fucked up.

    Then there’s other cases like that one where that 18-year-old got jumped for being baited into going on a date with another 18-year-old, while under the impression that she was… at least 18. A couple of people posted about that already.

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      Yeah, I got accusations thrown at me after letting a trans lady crash at my place when she came out and her ex-wife kicked her out of the house. Everybody was an adult, but the ex-wife found a friend in the TERFs, and they think trans rights is pedo apologism.

      I got molested by my babysitter when I was 5, and it was incredibly infuriating to hear people say it was the same as a fucking divorce.

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        Disgusting.

        Sadly as a transwoman I have heard “You should have left the kids alone!” From ex-friends who were Pro-Trans until it became “Support transpeople or support Trump”, then suddenly every dirty lie they knew not to believe became truth.

        I was disgusted, a former ally suddenly and without evidence starting seeing his many transfriends as paedos

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          See this is that shit.

          This is that shit.

          Stop doing this.

          There are plenty of things wrong with Elon Musk that are well documented in the public record by diverse and reputable sources that can easily be cited.

          Do that, not this.

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      Reddit would be outraged about an 18 yo dating a 16 yo, though. Some people have really weird and unrealistic views on this

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        Those Redditors are probably 16 year olds themselves upset that the girls they like are always going for 18 - 20 year olds

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        That’s why I find reddit so strange. Age gaps is apparently the most demonic thing you can do. No matter if you’re 19 dating a 17 or 34 dating a 27 you’re a huge red flag either way.

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          Yup, and the arguments are so weirdly self centered, too. “I went through so much when I started college, what would I talk about with someone in HIGH SCHOOL?” (19-17 gap) Dude, you started smoking pot and went to a few frat parties, it’s not that deep. Also are these people just always discussing life experiences for some reason? No shared interests, hobby groups, common acquaintances?

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    Oh hey, it’s “won’t somebody please think of the children?” taken to the streets for internet clout! Absolutely nothing wrong can happen there! /s

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    shit gonna morph into persecuting queer people real quick.

    And then when it’s pointed out a bunch of mfs are gonna say. “Why are you AFRAID?? WhAt aN odd tHinG to sAy!! they’re only going after bad people!”

    like shit brother. right on brother. Im sorry. I guess all those 1920’s lynch mobs were only going after criminals too then 🤷‍♂️. Matter of fact I bet no innocent people were hurt, and it wasn’t because of the color of their skin at all. Only criminals! /s

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      I have heard people saying panto should be 18+ because it has a man dressed as a woman. Your ideology is a fucking joke.